[Albion] Squad for 23/24 - Summer 2023 Window

[chaileyjem]

I've never ever heard him called 'Pedro'

Have changed it to Joao Pedro . Fair play.

 

[chaileyjem]

Yep…..been at Watford for 3 years before he became 21 so qualifies as HGP I think.

This is the PL definition
"A "Home-Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."

three entire seasons so he misses out.

 

[dazzer6666]

Ha . Well both are free agents. But they're not free agents . yet.

Dahoud is isn’t he ? Contract expired at the end of the German season

 

[chaileyjem]

Dahoud is isn’t he ? Contract expired at the end of the German season

I've no idea. But PL contracts don't technically expire until the end of June.

 

[schmunk]

This is the PL definition
"A "Home-Grown Player" means a player who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)."

three entire seasons so he misses out.

Surely this means he does qualify, as he's spent the entire 20/21, 21/22 and 22/23 seasons playing in England, and he turned 21 during the 22/23 season so he meets the bracketed term in your quote?

 

[The Fits]

Surely this means he does qualify, as he's spent the entire 20/21, 21/22 and 22/23 seasons playing in England, and he turned 21 during the 22/23 season so he meets the bracketed term in your quote?

That's my understanding of it. Joined in Jan 2020, played three full seasons after that, was 21 during the third. He'd not be HGP if either he was a) 21 during 20/21 or 21/22 or b) he'd joined after the beginning of the 20/21 season, but he joined the Jan of the season prior.

 

[dazzer6666]

Surely this means he does qualify, as he's spent the entire 20/21, 21/22 and 22/23 seasons playing in England, and he turned 21 during the 22/23 season so he meets the bracketed term in your quote?

That's my understanding as well. He turned 21 in September. Watford fans were also saying he was going to become a HGP in January 2023 (which would make sense - 3 years after he joined them)

 

[AZ Gull]

Yep. Should be in there . I've not put him in the main squad for now cos i think he and a number of other loanees are out of contract so waiting to here if he's in on the retain list.

Turns is contracted until 2024.

 

[AstroSloth]

It might also be worth making a classification between players that are homegrown in England vs Homegrown at the club.

European Tournament rules require 4 players homegrown at the club and 8 homegrown in England.

 

[chaileyjem]

Ok. So here's the squad for 23/24 so far. Have tweaked it slightly with some useful edits from @AZ Gull and others.
No definitive answer on Joao Pedro HGP status.
My guess is that Marc Leonard is going to be offered a new contract and maybe Jensen Weir but we'll see. Expecting that to leak out this week.

PS: Shout if any further errors/omissions.

Summer Window opens on June 14th and closes at 11pm on Friday Sept 1st.

1. Sanchez ( HGP ) (2025) - 25
2. Rushworth (HGP) (2025) - 21
u21 Beadle (HGP) (2026) - 18
3. Steele ( HGP ) (2025) - 32
4. McGill (HGP) (2023) - 23
5. Scherpen (2025) - 23
6. Lamptey (HGP) (2025) - 22
7. Estupinan (2027) - 25
U21 Koslowski (2026) - 19
8. Karbownik (2026) - 22
9. March ( HGP ) (2026 + 1 year option) - 28
10. Veltman (2023 + 1 year option) - 31
11. Webster ( HGP ) ( 2026) - 28
12. Dunk ( HGP ) (2025) - 31
u21 Offiah (2024) - 20
13. van Hecke (2023 + 1 year option) - 22
14.. Caicedo ( 2027 + 1 year option) - 21
15. Moder (2025) - 24
16..Gilmour (2026) - 21
u21 Moran (2027) - 19
17. Alzate (2024) - 24
u21 Ayari (2027) - 19
u21 Turns (2024) - 20
18. Lallana ( HGP ) (2024) - 34
19. Groß (2025) - 31
20. Mac Allister (2025 + 1 year option) - 24
U21. Sarmiento (2026) - 20
U21. Buonanotte (2027) - 18
21. Mitoma (2025) - 25
U21. Enciso (2026 + 1 yr option) - 19
22. Welbeck ( HGP ) (2024) - 32
23. Undav (2026)- 26
24. Joao Pedro (2028)- 21
25. SIma (2025) - 21
26. Connolly (2024) -23
27. Zeqiri (2024) - 23
28. Khadra (2024) - 21
u21 Adingra (2026) - 21
U21. Ferguson (2028) - 18
u21. Hinshelwood (HGP) (2026) - 18
u21: Peupion (2024) - 20

u21s in 23/24 are born on or after Jan 1 2002.

Waiting for Retain list: Roberts (already released), Jenks, Tolaj, Furlong, Spong (released). Tsongui, Weir, Leonard, Bull (released), McGill
Players bought in Summer 2023: Joao Pedro (£30m/Watford/2028) , Dahoud (Free/Dortmund/2027) tbc.
Players sold in Summer 2023: Richards (QPR),
Players Released: tbc
New Summer 2023 Contracts: tbc
Summer 2023 Loans: tbc

 

[chaileyjem]

It might also be worth making a classification between players that are homegrown in England vs Homegrown at the club.

European Tournament rules require 4 players homegrown at the club and 8 homegrown in England.

Ha ! i'm not doing two of these . But i know that rule and its making my head hurt.

 

[Freddo]

I think a few of the player names are written in white text so aren't visible?

 

[AZ Gull]

Spong has already been released, as I posted last night.

 

[chaileyjem]

I think a few of the player names are written in white text so aren't visible?

oh. i have the default black background . so it looks like this. shall i tweak to er, what to make it accessible ?

EDIT. Just removed the formatting so all normal text now.

 

[Gabbiano]

It might also be worth making a classification between players that are homegrown in England vs Homegrown at the club.

European Tournament rules require 4 players homegrown at the club and 8 homegrown in England.

Among those over 21 is it only Dunk, March, Sanchez and McGill that satisfy that requirement?

If we lose Sanchez and/or McGill then would that inhibit our ability to name a full squad for Europe (not accounting for the under age players)?

 

[MJsGhost]

How much do you reckon Brighton will spend this transfer window?
Surely at least £100 Mil

Unlikely.

You've not been paying much attention to the way BHA operates have you? Why would you TBF...?

With Mac Allister & Caicedo pretty much certain to go (c. £140m incoming), there may be one more (in Albion terms) large signing to cover a midfield gap. Mac Allister is pretty much covered by existing players, so it's really Caicedo that will leave the biggest hole. Even though there's no like-for-like replacement in the squad, his 'replacement' is more likely to be a talented youngster to bring on, while the existing squad is shuffled to cover the gap next season. Add Dahoud and Milner to the squad (as seems likely) and there are even more options to cover the gap in the short term (again, even though there's no like-for-like Caicedo replacement).

We could do with a fullback - ideally one that can cover either side, but LB more of a priority.
We'll also have a LCB vacancy if Colwill goes back to Chelsea after his loan.

My prediction, in addition to the confirmed João Pedro deal for £30m:
Milner (Free). All but confirmed
Dahoud (Free). All but confirmed
£17m on a 24 yr old fullback who I've barely heard of, who has played in the Europa League for a low-middling European club side
£5m on an 18 yr old ball-winning genius with the 24/25 season in mind
Maybe (everything crossed) a club record £35m for Levi Colwill

At £87m, that's a lot closer to the £100m than I'd have thought, but the Colwill deal is sadly unlikely IMO (I doubt we'd spend that much on someone else as he is a special case - proven with us, still very young and therefore a safe bet).
It does also depend on who else goes. I can't see any other nailed-on 1st teamers going, but if someone like Mitoma or (god forbid) Ferguson went, we'd have to spend a bit more.

What do you think Villa will spend @VillaFan? (and what do you want them to spend? )

 

[Gabbiano]

Unlikely.

You've not been paying much attention to the way BHA operates have you? Why would you TBF...?

With Mac Allister & Caicedo pretty much certain to go (c. £140m incoming), there may be one more (in Albion terms) large signing to cover a midfield gap. Mac Allister is pretty much covered by existing players, so it's really Caicedo that will leave the biggest hole. Even though there's no like-for-like replacement in the squad, his 'replacement' is more likely to be a talented youngster to bring on, while the existing squad is shuffled to cover the gap next season. Add Dahoud and Milner to the squad (as seems likely) and there are even more options to cover the gap in the short term (again, even though there's no like-for-like Caicedo replacement).

We could do with a fullback - ideally one that can cover either side, but LB more of a priority.
We'll also have a LCB vacancy if Colwill goes back to Chelsea after his loan.

My prediction, in addition to the confirmed João Pedro deal for £30m:
Milner (Free). All but confirmed
Dahoud (Free). All but confirmed
£17m on a 24 yr old fullback who I've barely heard of, who has played in the Europa League for a low-middling European club side
£5m on an 18 yr old ball-winning genius with the 24/25 season in mind
Maybe (everything crossed) a club record £35m for Levi Colwill

At £87m, that's a lot closer to the £100m than I'd have thought, but the Colwill deal is sadly unlikely IMO (I doubt we'd spend that much on someone else as he is a special case - proven with us, still very young and therefore a safe bet).
It does also depend on who else goes. I can't see any other nailed-on 1st teamers going, but if someone like Mitoma or (god forbid) Ferguson went, we'd have to spend a bit more.

What do you think Villa will spend @VillaFan? (and what do you want them to spend? )

Think you’re under-egging both the sales and purchase figures.

Out: £200m+
Mac Allister £70m
Caicedo £80m+
Sanchez £20-30m
Lamptey £10-20m
Alzate, Khadra, Sima, Zeqiri, Karbownik and other fringe players £10-15m total

In:
Dahoud - free
Milner - free
Joao Pedro - £30m
Colwill? - £40-50m? may be too expensive but definitely over 35m
If not, we need another LCB, backup LB, backup RB, GK, competitive starter for DM and maybe a backup right forward.
Plus the usual smattering of talented youngsters that cost anything between £2m-10m

Certainly that will add up to £100m and we’d still be well in the black.

 

[chaileyjem]

Among those over 21 is it only Dunk, March, Sanchez and McGill that satisfy that requirement?

If we lose Sanchez and/or McGill then would that inhibit our ability to name a full squad for Europe (not accounting for the under age players)?

Almost certain McGill is being released i'd say.

 

[Perkino]

We only have two players in the current squad who cost more than £10m so splashing the cash on loads of new additions is unlikely

 

[Hugo Rune]

Think you’re under-egging both the sales and purchase figures.

Out: £200m+
Mac Allister £70m
Caicedo £80m+
Sanchez £20-30m
Lamptey £10-20m
Alzate, Khadra, Sima, Zeqiri, Karbownik and other fringe players £10-15m total

I’m pretty sure that RDZ will want to look at those three in person before we get rid. Also, I wonder if he wants to take a look at Connolly? For me, Connolly’s problem has been in his head, I think the lad has bags of natural talent and potential. Could RDZ inspire Connolly to perform like he did in that Spurs match consistently? I would not put that task beyond our astonishing manager.