So who is in the 65% of people that agreed to the Vogue Gyratory 'improvements'?

[Southover Street Seagull]

IMO again, the Greens are pushing an agenda without any real consideration of the actual layout of this Road. As said by others it looks like we are going to find out. I fully expect it to be as successful as their other genius schemes like the road to Peacehaven or cutting Brighton in half by closing Viaduct Road to two way traffic. Still I wouldn't have a clue as I have only lived here for 50 years...

The Greens got in power in May 2011, Viadict Road was made one-way in the early nineties and the road to Peacehaven was completed in 2009 well before the Greens got in. The road to Peacehaven also went through East Sussex County Council land and so is not the sole responsibility of Brighton and Hove Council.

So how is this the Greens fault?


Has the A259 bus lane worked? From The Argus)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Sorry to ask again, but no one answered.

The money for these changes is coming from central government, and was a tory idea etc...

But where does the money come from to maintain cycle paths etc... is it from the same pot or from local council road budgets?

Also as all the cyclists are getting excited about the ease of access to the Amex, I assume we wont see any bikes on the walk through BACA anymore? or through Stanmer woods, Some of them are dangerous weaving in and out of pedestrians, especially in the dark.

The costs of future road and cycle lane maintenance have to be met by the Council - from council tax payments, general government grants to councils, or surpluses from the on-street parking account.

As for the paths shared between cyclists and pedestrians (Stanmer Woods and past BACA), my understanding is that further work is planned to minimise the conflicts. Some of this will be part of the Lewes Road scheme and some will be funded by the Football Club.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The Greens got in power in May 2011, Viadict Road was made one-way in the early nineties and the road to Peacehaven was completed in 2009 well before the Greens got in. The road to Peacehaven also went through East Sussex County Council land and so is not the sole responsibility of Brighton and Hove Council.

So how is this the Greens fault?


Has the A259 bus lane worked? From The Argus)

The Viaduct Road scheme pre-dates the existence of Brighton & Hove City Council. It was introduced by East Sussex County Council, who were the highway authority for Brighton before 1997.

 

[Albumen]

Blame the greens!
Blame the students!
Blame people who like progression!
Blame anyone who has a different opinion to me!
All I wanna do is drive my car everywhere!
How did we win the war?

 

[yxee]

Can someone explain to me why we need 2m wide cycle lanes? Are they pre-empting the return of the sidecar?

 

[LadySeagull]

Can someone explain to me why we need 2m wide cycle lanes? Are they pre-empting the return of the sidecar?

Fat kids on bikes?

 

[Badger]

Can someone explain to me why we need 2m wide cycle lanes? Are they pre-empting the return of the sidecar?

People cycling home from the pub.

 

[Common as Mook]

Can someone explain to me why we need 2m wide cycle lanes? Are they pre-empting the return of the sidecar?

Party politics aside, the lane on Old Shoreham road is an absolute disaster. It's impossible to pull out of one those side roads opposite BHASVIC playing fields without swinging out into incoming traffic.

 

[Albumen]

Can someone explain to me why we need 2m wide cycle lanes? Are they pre-empting the return of the sidecar?

Well the recommended width of cycle lanes are 1.5m to 2m. No headlines here.

Cycle Tracks and Lanes

Except through protected cycle by-passes or to pass stationary traffic at junctions, the absolute minimum width for cycle lanes is 1.5 metres, but 2 metres is preferred and essential at higher speeds. Anything less than this deprives cyclists of road space and encourages traffic to pass too close.

 

[Common as Mook]

Well the recommended width of cycle lanes are 1.5m to 2m. No headlines here.

Cycle Tracks and Lanes

Fine. Just don't put them on roads where the width of road doesnt safely support them.

 

[Albumen]

Fine. Just don't put them on roads where the width of road doesnt safely support them.

I would think a dual carriageway was sufficient enough space. Do you not think so?

EDIT: Ah I see you were talking about Old Shoreham Road. This looks wide enough for a bus, in fact it is, look! Do you drive a tank?

 

[Common as Mook]

I would think a dual carriageway was sufficient enough space. Do you not think so?

EDIT: Ah I see you were talking about Old Shoreham Road. This looks wide enough for a bus, in fact it is.

I'm talking about pulling out from side roads. To pull out safely, it's almost impossible to avoid going up onto the raised cycle lane.

 

[Albumen]

I'm talking about pulling out from side roads. To pull out safely, it's almost impossible to avoid going up onto the raised cycle lane.

Really? Bit weird, you would think that would be basic planning. I'll have a look next time I'm cycling down there.

 

[Common as Mook]

Really? Bit weird, you would think that would be basic planning. I'll have a look next time I'm cycling down there.

You will only get a true perspective of it if you are driving.

 

[Albumen]

You will only get a true perspective of it if you are driving.

Well if that's the case, f*** em

 

[yxee]

Well the recommended width of cycle lanes are 1.5m to 2m. No headlines here.

Cycle Tracks and Lanes

I guess I disagree with... the national cyclists' organisation. If you can't cycle without 1 metre of safety room either side then you shouldn't be on the road, since most of the cyclist lanes in the city are far more narrow than on the Old Shoreham Road. Or do they propose to make every cycle lane as wide as that, in which case we may as well pedestrianise the city right now.

 

[Albumen]

I guess I disagree with... the national cyclists' organisation. If you can't cycle without 1 metre of safety room either side then you shouldn't be on the road, since most of the cyclist lanes in the city are far more narrow than on the Old Shoreham Road. Or do they propose to make every cycle lane as wide as that, in which case we may as well pedestrianise the city right now.

It also allows overtaking for cyclists without getting hit by buses. If there's an upsurge in cycling to the universities it wont be single file will it.

 

[Insel affe]

I voted yes if only to piss people off including myself, but it needs upgrading and I think it is a good idea. It may mean a years of aggro but in the long run it will be better. I also want parking permits for where I live I hate scummy student cars where I live making me park sevral feet from my house.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I hate scummy student cars where I live making me park sevral feet from my house.

I find the doorstep gets in the way of me driving my car right into the house. Like me, you'll just have to get used to having to walk several feet. I agree it's a pain, though.

 

[Garage_Doors]

And here I go again. If that's the case, why is Brighton just about the only city in Britain, outside London, where bus use has continued to grow, every year for the past 20 years?

As your the one who works in public transport surely you would better suited to answer that?
I would guess its the increased number of students, high parking costs and more restrictions on driver getting into Brighton being forced on to buses rather than choosing to..
Are we also the most expensive bus service outside London?

And your "£1 for fuel" isn't the only marginal cost you have to pay to drive your vehicle into central Brighton.

What am i missing?