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So who is in the 65% of people that agreed to the Vogue Gyratory 'improvements'?







Albumen

Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
11,495
Brighton - In your face
So having reduced London Road to one lane, proposing to do the same to Lewes Road, then closing King George VIth avenue to traffic, they will turn the city into one gigantic traffic-jam where noboby can enter or leave and we all die of respiritory diseases, brilliant. Lets all vote Green because they live in the real world.

It might also get people to think twice about driving if they don't need to.
 










Albumen

Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
11,495
Brighton - In your face
65% supported the idea of better bike lanes through the Vogue gyratory.* 63% approved of the proposed bus and bike lanes on Lewes Road.* Of these, 81%wanted buses and bikes to have their own lanes, rather than a combined one.

Officials say such changes would increase uptake of cycling, reduce traffic by 10%, increase bus use by 25% and improve bus journey times by 30%.

Yes please.
 








65% supported the idea of better bike lanes through the Vogue gyratory.* 63% approved of the proposed bus and bike lanes on Lewes Road.* Of these, 81%wanted buses and bikes to have their own lanes, rather than a combined one.

Officials say such changes would increase uptake of cycling, reduce traffic by 10%, increase bus use by 25% and improve bus journey times by 30%.

Yes please.

And, north of the Vogue, they've overcome the problem of conflict between buses and bikes at bus stops. It's clever stuff, like Copenhagen:-

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Seasidesage

New member
May 19, 2009
4,467
Brighton, United Kingdom
Very well.

Seasidesage has convinced himself that the students have chosen this system, despite there being no evidence for this.

The council officers are satisfied that this will work. Councillors on all sides agree, hence the scheme, application for funding, approval and implementation.

The City Council, the bus companies, Brighton & Hove Albion, Brighton & Hove Business Forum and now the local residents agree with it.

As for the question (actually, there were several), he had the opportunity to put his point across. His neighbours (assuming he lives in the area) disagreed with him. Sadly, it's not his city alone - it's everyone's.

TLO your arrogance is just stunning. I haven't 'convinced' myself of anything this is my opinion which I am entitled too. I did vote, despite the fact that I was pretty sure of the outcome before I voted. I do live in the area, sorry to disappoint you, and it will I am convinced be a disaster for drivers, local business and anyone who needs to get not just in and out of the area but across Brighton too. I don't claim it is my city, in fact given the nature and views of this and previous council's it appears to be anything but...

You seem convinced by the tone of your post that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow beneath you or stupid, I couldn't give a f*** if Councillors all agree or not, you can tug your forelock and know your place if you want. my OPINION is that it will not work, yours is that it will and that we will all live in a utopian Amsterdam trundling along on our pushbikes, we will see. I actually hope you are right, I suspect though that it will take an hour to get out to the bypass, that Coombe Rd will be impassable in rush hour and that Woodingdean will suffer even worse congestion than it does now as people try to avoid Lewes Road.
 




There is less traffic on Lewes Road than there was in the 1980s - when the main south coast trunk road went that way. There's plenty of room on the road to provide better facilities for buses, taxis and bikes - especially if the pinch points where congestion is a caused can be smoothed out and anti-social/illegal parking and stopping can be dealt with.
 


maltaseagull

Well-known member
Feb 25, 2009
13,367
Zabbar- Malta
But they didn't just ask students did they? I was asked and I'm certainly not a student. Our neighbours were asked too - and they're not students either.

I don't know why you think that the council divied up the survey according to how much travelling they do - they asked people who lived off Lewes Rd (Coombe Rd, Moulsecoomb, Coldean etc).

I'm not sure why you're so surprised at the result: the Vogue Gyratory is a nightmare to negotiate and successive councils have looked for ways to fix it. There's been talk about changing it for at least 10 years.

As an ex resident, why don't they just acquire the buildings in the middle of the system, knock them down and create a much more simple cross roads :mad:
 


shaolinpunk

[Insert witty title here]
Nov 28, 2005
7,187
Brighton
I live around there and I'm against it - traffic flow at peak times is bad enough with two lanes
 






The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
TLO your arrogance is just stunning. I haven't 'convinced' myself of anything this is my opinion which I am entitled too. I did vote, despite the fact that I was pretty sure of the outcome before I voted. I do live in the area, sorry to disappoint you, and it will I am convinced be a disaster for drivers, local business and anyone who needs to get not just in and out of the area but across Brighton too. I don't claim it is my city, in fact given the nature and views of this and previous council's it appears to be anything but...

You seem convinced by the tone of your post that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow beneath you or stupid, I couldn't give a f*** if Councillors all agree or not, you can tug your forelock and know your place if you want. my OPINION is that it will not work, yours is that it will and that we will all live in a utopian Amsterdam trundling along on our pushbikes, we will see. I actually hope you are right, I suspect though that it will take an hour to get out to the bypass, that Coombe Rd will be impassable in rush hour and that Woodingdean will suffer even worse congestion than it does now as people try to avoid Lewes Road.

Well, we're at an impasse then, aren't we? I find it's you who is arrogant, hence the equal tone of my response.

It's your tone which is prejudicial. I understand it's your opinion, but you're blaming the '65%' on students. How arrogant is that? You're getting angry over something you don't know will happen - only suspect.

Aside from that - quality rant.
 


CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
45,101
I think everyone can agree that if all the modelling suggests that this scheme will work and if it managed correctly then it will be a success, can't we? It's all in the management. The cycle lane is shit at the moment because everyone thinks they can just park in the cycle lane, which they can because there is no management.
 


Postman Pat

Well-known member
Jul 24, 2007
6,973
Coldean
Sorry to ask again, but no one answered.

The money for these changes is coming from central government, and was a tory idea etc...

But where does the money come from to maintain cycle paths etc... is it from the same pot or from local council road budgets?

Also as all the cyclists are getting excited about the ease of access to the Amex, I assume we wont see any bikes on the walk through BACA anymore? or through Stanmer woods, Some of them are dangerous weaving in and out of pedestrians, especially in the dark.
 




Seasidesage

New member
May 19, 2009
4,467
Brighton, United Kingdom
Well, we're at an impasse then, aren't we? I find it's you who is arrogant, hence the equal tone of my response.

It's your tone which is prejudicial. I understand it's your opinion, but you're blaming the '65%' on students. How arrogant is that? You're getting angry over something you don't know will happen - only suspect.

Aside from that - quality rant.

I've been called worse!
 




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