Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!

[tedebear]

Drinking alcohol on beaches has been illegal in the county I'm from for 40+ years, so its not a case of "wanting it", its "having it". I believe every other county has it banned, too, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

I've not lost anything, and while you may bleat about civil liberties, you can't prove theres been any further creep, as goes losing them. You appear to be rotating around the issue, and you're not going to be able to get any further on it.

This smoking ban has been looming over the horizon for YEARS, its not something sprung up recently. And here, where it was brought in three years ago, the past 15 years have seen more advances in citizens rights - relaxed abortion rules, decriminilisation of homosexuality, equality laws, legislative divorce (rather than church annulment only), etc - than the one single restriction you seem to be obsessed with! The UK has had similar increases in equality laws.

I'm not bleating, I'm trying to talk about the ability to respect a persons right to choose, in the same way I started a thread about respect a few weeks ago.

It's simple in my view - pubs should be able to choose whether they be non-smoking or not, you can then choose whether you patronize/work/visit there....not the blanket ban we've had imposed.

Fine I'll not go any further on this issue mate - your patronizing tone is really distasteful to debate against and is turning me off. Was a good thread for a while....

 

[Cian]

I'm not bleating, I'm trying to talk about the ability to respect a persons right to choose, in the same way I started a thread about respect a few weeks ago.

It's simple in my view - pubs should be able to choose whether they be non-smoking or not, you can then choose whether you patronize/work/visit there....not the blanket ban we've had imposed.

Fine I'll not go any further on this issue mate - your patronizing tone is really distasteful to debate against and is turning me off. Was a good thread for a while....

Its only getting to that tone as you've refused to read what everyone else has said!

Anything other than a blanket ban is legally impossible. You try to justify no ban with undefined worries about civil liberties. You go on about respect yet don't realise that the ban is about respecting peoples rights to not passive smoke.

 

[Mrs Coach]

The one outside my local is already damaged... yes thats right.
Awning has broken.

Lol!

I think I read somewhere that terminal care units like the Martletts Hospice allow the patients to smoke too. I know when my best friends Mum Carolina died recently of lung cancer in there, they allowed her to continue smoking until the end. It was so sad to see her, skeletal and opaque stretched skin, still using her last energy to light a fag. Her first and only baby grandaughter will never benefit from her sense of humour and compassion. We all miss her - and yes, I hate cigarettes!

 

[tedebear]

Its only getting to that tone as you've refused to read what everyone else has said!

Anything other than a blanket ban is legally impossible. You try to justify no ban with undefined worries about civil liberties. You go on about respect yet don't realise that the ban is about respecting peoples rights to not passive smoke.

I've read each and every post and completely understand and agree in some places. Hoever in relation to pubs the ban isn't about respecting peoples rights at all. Its dis-respecting peoples ability to make their own choice?

 

[Cian]

I've read each and every post and completely understand and agree in some places. Hoever in relation to pubs the ban isn't about respecting peoples rights at all. Its dis-respecting peoples ability to make their own choice?

Yes, you want to remove the choice of the employees to not eventually die of cancer from other peoples smoke.

 

[Mrs Coach]

Yes, you want to remove the choice of the employees to not eventually die of cancer from other peoples smoke.

See my post, above!!

 

[tedebear]

Yes, you want to remove the choice of the employees to not eventually die of cancer from other peoples smoke.

So why choose to work in a pub which allows smoking - smoking had been in pubs for many many years, and the knowledge of the dangers of passive smoking has been known for many years. So if you don't like it find employment elsewhere? There were 2 non-smoking pubs in Shoreham before the ban!

 

[Cian]

So why choose to work in a pub which allows smoking - smoking had been in pubs for many many years, and the knowledge of the dangers of passive smoking has been known for many years. So if you don't like it find employment elsewhere? There were 2 non-smoking pubs in Shoreham before the ban!

Because, as I explained before, it legally impossible and seriously unfair to force workers to make that choice. It is, wheter you like it or not, the exact same as telling people they can find employment in a firm thats not racist/sexist/homophobic.

 

[tedebear]

Because, as I explained before, it legally impossible and seriously unfair to force workers to make that choice. It is, wheter you like it or not, the exact same as telling people they can find employment in a firm thats not racist/sexist/homophobic.

It isn't legally impossible nor is it seriously unfair - both the barmaids at the Royal Sovereign smoke and choose to work in that environment. More fool them - but that was their choice...the government has now decided that they are not allowed to make that choice. Where is the respect for their freedom to choose?

and thats my point - however unpopular it is...

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Why can't we make the choice ourselves?

I don't really understand why there SHOULD be a choice over smoking, aside from the fact that (up till now) it's always been this way ... which hardly seems a defence to me.

You don't have the choice to drink and drive, for instance - as smoking is at best a serious health risk for all involved, is that not exactly the kind of thing that government should be seeking to remove the choice for?

 

[tedebear]

I don't really understand why there SHOULD be a choice over smoking,?

See thats another point - why wasn't this banned years and years ago - the knowledge was there as to the benefits...but did the government want the taxes?

 

[cannedheat]

From a personal point of view i've had more days off sick through trying to pack up smoking than I ever have had through smoking related illnesses, It will be the same the next time I try and pack up as well.

Is it really that bad when given up, what kind of illness do you suffer?.

Good luck when you do stop, then you can join the NSC non smoking smug bastard club.

 

[Cian]

It isn't legally impossible nor is it seriously unfair - both the barmaids at the Royal Sovereign smoke and choose to work in that environment. More fool them - but that was their choice...the government has now decided that they are not allowed to make that choice. Where is the respect for their freedom to choose?

and thats my point - however unpopular it is...

Erm, it is legally impossible as it is exactly equivalent to anything else illegal. Why can't you understand that?

Have you ever worked in a bar or club? I have, and while smoking myself, as I did, hasn't helped things I now have recurrent respiratory tract infections. In the industry I was in there was no choice but to work in an environment with smoking. If they brought in a choice, I can guarantee straight off that none of the places I would have worked would have "chosen" to ban smoking - as they could have done legally many years before! - and I would, in effect, have been forced to continue passively smoking.

The government may be removing a "freedom to choose", but its a freedom to choose to abuse and harm other people. They don't let you choose to carry a knife in to the pub and wave it at peoples faces, occasionally making small nicks on them, now do they?

 

[Seagullible]

can't be bothered to read the whole thread but feel the government have missed a trick here. Why not issue smoking licenses for pubs? they could pay £20k a year to allow smoking in the pub thus leaving us with CHOIVE! the money raised could go into hospitals directly

 

[British Bulldog]

Is it really that bad when given up, what kind of illness do you suffer?.

I get light headed and lose concentration.

 

[Questions]

I get light headed and lose concentration.

Thats hash Bully................................ not giving up fags.

 

[tedebear]

Erm, it is legally impossible as it is exactly equivalent to anything else illegal. Why can't you understand that?

I think you're wrong - there are exemptions for everything....Smoking in itself is not illegal...where you do it is....Like drinking - there are places where its illegal to drink, so there are exeptions there?

Edited as I forgot to answer your other question - yes I have worked in two golf clubs, one as financial controller, one as a trainee pro. where smoking was allowed everywhere - even the dressing rooms...

 

[British Bulldog]

Thats hash Bully................................ not giving up fags.

Now you tell me!

 

[Questions]

can't be bothered to read the whole thread but feel the government have missed a trick here. Why not issue smoking licenses for pubs? they could pay £20k a year to allow smoking in the pub thus leaving us with CHOIVE! the money raised could go into hospitals directly

WE WANT CHOIVE, WE WANT CHOIVE.

 

[tedebear]

can't be bothered to read the whole thread but feel the government have missed a trick here. Why not issue smoking licenses for pubs? they could pay £20k a year to allow smoking in the pub thus leaving us with CHOIVE! the money raised could go into hospitals directly

Thats my thoughts as well...