British Bulldog
The great escape
- Feb 6, 2006
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I would'nt want to go into a garage thats got a car engine running but there's still a lot of workers who are exposed to it.
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Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!
- Thread starter Mrs Coach
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I would'nt want to go into a garage thats got a car engine running but there's still a lot of workers who are exposed to it.
Caveman
Well-known member
- Jul 14, 2003
- 9,926
But there is a difference there. You are not forced to down pints in the pub are you. I don't think its unreasonable to ask people not to puff smoke in your face.
I'd rather not run the risk of lung cancer due to constantly breathing in other peoples smoke.
The comparison does work - your just narrowed your net with the "category of place" change...
Drinking does not have a blanket ban in the way smoking now does. You say it would be "legally impossible" to have any other type of ban - well you've just proved yourself alcohol has a "category of place"...why can't this be the same for smoking? with the landlord choosing this "category" for his establishment....and as someone else said - maybe paying a fee to the government for this license...
This all comes back to respect for me - whether I smoke or I don't - I respect other peoples choice to do so, and I have always known if I want to go and drink in a smoking pub I'll go to the Sovereign, and if I want to steer clear of the smoke - I'll go to the Crown and Anchor. I was able to make that choice before - and I'm angry that I'm no longer allowed to decide.
Cian
Well-known member
Because the ban is a workplace smoking ban, the same way the alcohol bans are specific to categories.
Do you expect them to have a "office, shop, factory, call centre, truck, van, bus, train, garage, workshop, etc, etc, etc, but not pubs and clubs unless they decide" ban? Because it isn't going to happen.
If you want to go to a smoking pub, the nearest ones are in Germany. I also notice the rest of the UK didn't whinge so much about it...
Do you expect them to have a "office, shop, factory, call centre, truck, van, bus, train, garage, workshop, etc, etc, etc, but not pubs and clubs unless they decide" ban? Because it isn't going to happen.
If you want to go to a smoking pub, the nearest ones are in Germany. I also notice the rest of the UK didn't whinge so much about it...
Well they've managed it for alcohol - why not smoking? You harp on about it being a "workplace ban" - what is the drinking alcohol in public places but allowed in pubs and clubs ban called?
Were they asked? I certainly wasn't...
I agree - so you would choose a non smoking pub!
Cian
Well-known member
Multiple seperate bans, thats what.
They voted, on the majority, for parties that support it; or didn't vote at all due to apathy, ineligibility, or other reasons. Thats the same as "asked", unless you live in 50-referenda-a-year Switzerland.
So why can't we have multiple separate bans?
A few more referendums every now and then round here would be a good thing IMHO - the war specifically!! The smoking ban wasn't very much front running policy at the time...
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
As has been said before, this ban is a ban on smoking in the workplace... the pubs are just the places that attract the attention. Why should one workplace be exempt when all others are covered? That would open up a loophole that others would seek to exploit, and you would end up with smoking offices and similar I suspect if you started giving exemptions. I would also disagree with your assertion that workers can choose which pub to work in. If you started giving out exemptions, you would end up exactly where we were before the ban, where the majority of pubs allow smoking, and there would not be sufficient choice of non-smoking pubs to allow all bar staff that want to work in a non-smoking pub to find a job working in one.
Smokers still have a choice... if they want to smoke, they can go outside and do it.
Cian
Well-known member
Because it would be impossible to police, and would, 100% guaranteed, result in a court case from people who want to smoke in the workplaces where its banned and another from people who don't want to be forced to breath in colleagues/customers smoke where its not banned; of which both sides would have extremely strong arguments under European law as goes equal provision of conditions.
Which is why theres no legal basis for "choice" to exist.
Have you considered theres still far more serious issues in the UK for you to be concerned with?
Which is why theres no legal basis for "choice" to exist.
Have you considered theres still far more serious issues in the UK for you to be concerned with?
Monkster
Ragamuffin
Cian
Well-known member
Take that to court then. Its banned in the Oireachtas here, and one TD (MP) has been fined to date.
Monkster
Ragamuffin
Thats not the point though is it....
Enough of your patronizing tone. This is a message board mate - I can and will discuss whatever is the thread of the day, or whatever means something to me - I'm not sure why you think it important to dictate what I should and shouldn't be concerning myself with....and frankly with that straw I've changed my mind about you. Theres no need for the personal slating in this - I've not done it to you - and here I was thinking this was a reasonable debate.
I'd like to see a bit more respect for each other in this world. If you don't like the choices someone else makes (within the law) then turn the other cheek and go elsewhere...whats so hard about that?
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
Looking into though, while it isn't covered under the legislation (apparently due to it being a residence), they do actually have a smoking ban in place.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2007-06-11a.141621.h
Cian
Well-known member
Yet you're showing absolutely no respect for the rights of pub and club staff to not breath others smoke? Or for you to respect the choices the democratically elected government made to ban smoking in workplaces by going elsewhere for your smokey pub, where that is, well, not many places left.
Theres so many double standards here you'd think it was VHS vs. Betamax.
MattBackHome
Well-known member
- Jul 7, 2003
- 11,876
I haven't smoked in over a week now. Without the ban I'd still be smoking. So I like it.
You're assuming that all people mind working in a smokey pub!
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
It seems that you are assuming that no-one minds working in a smokey pub!