Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!

[cjd]

Am I getting exasperated with you ? Actually I rather think the boot is on the other foot. I think that you do feel a bit uncomfortable about smoking in front of your children hence why you took exception. The point I was referring to is a little bit of a myth though and I can't be bothered to go through it again as it happened a long time ago. Still maybe your attitude to smoking is a sign that you live in the past. Maybe you smack your children as that was once considered acceptable as well.

Why are you asking me if you,re getting exasperated with me ...?
You are quite correct, I am uncomfortable smoking in front of my children. I wish I could be the perfect parent....but of course that,s not really feasible. I
thought I remembered seeing on a post of yours in the past, that you have a son, so I,m sure you understand the difficulties of being a "perfect" parent.
My attitude to smoking is that I am fully aware of the possible consequences of my health and that my life expectancy (taking an average) will be less than a non-smoker. As I have pointed out before in other posts on the "smoking" subject, as most of my working life involved caring for the elderly, I,m far from convinced that a very long life is what I want.
With regard to your last sentence, about the smacking of children, I do have six children and an essential part of aiming towards some form of harmony in our house, is to focus entirely on others ways of discipling our children, and never physical punishments.
Heaven forbid that in the future our children would not be part of our life due to lack of understanding and care.
Just to push the topic back online by the way, .....often the problem with "smokers" "alcoholics" "gamblers" "obese people" etc etc etc....is we often tend to have "addictive" personalties. As fast as a "smoker" gives up one vice, he/she is often likely to start another..............
I don,t drink or gamble or have any other particular vice (other than the Albion) and often wonder what I will replace smoking with if I ever decide (and succeed..?) to give up...

 

[BensGrandad]

I accept what Yorkie says about other contributary factors for mouth cancer but in my case the doctors said it wasa type of cancer directly attributed to smoking and drinking but then I smoked about 12 - 15 Corona cigars a day and drank a bottle opf Remy Martin VSOP neat.

I went to the dentist at 11.30 on Thursday a morning, he wasnt happy with a white spot he saw on my tongue. I saqw the registrar at Royal Surrey Hospital at 2.00pm Paul Johnstone from Maxillio Facial at 3.00pm was admitted at 4.00[pm and operated on at 8.00am next morning.

I then had Radiotherapy and 2 lymphnodes came up on my neck and after having a biospy taken I was admitted and operated on again within 12 hours. For this I praise the NHS and will not have a bad word said about The Royal Surrey in Guildford. At the time Paul Johnstone explained everything and told me I should pack up smoking and drinking neat spirits when asked what would happen if I didnt he replied " Dont book a holiday for September because you will lose your deposit". I have not smoked since that day in 1995 and got the all clear in 2005 but through my own choice still have an annual check up.

 

[Fran Hagarty]

If passive smoking is so serious how come those who served in the Navy and were cooped up on board ship for weeks at sea with smokers, aren't suing the Government? The living space was far more cramped than any living room or pub area.
Does anyone have the actual figures for cancer deaths either of smokers and/or passive smokers?

"Smoking Statistics - Passive smoking
Research has consistently shown that nonsmokers are put at risk by exposure to other people’s smoke18. In 1994 the Department of Health set up the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health which concluded that passive smoking can cause lung cancer and ischaemic heart disease in adult non-smokers and respiratory disease in children.

A 2002 IARC report concluded that the risk of lung cancer for non-smokers was increased by 20- 30% if they lived with a smoker and by 16-19% if they were exposed in the workplace.

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) has estimated that around 600 lung cancer deaths are caused by passive smoking each year in the UK19.

Passive smoking is also a factor in continuing the ‘family circle’ of smoking and there is much evidence of the harmful effects on children in ‘smoking’ households including respiratory disease, asthma attacks, cot deaths and middle ear infections.

The Acheson report highlights the fact that while one third of children in the UK live with at least one adult smoker, among low-income families the figure is 57%. Smoking during pregnancy increases the risk of spontaneous abortion, pre-term birth, low birth weight and stillbirth. In 2000, 35% of women smoked in the year before or during pregnancy and 19% smoked throughout pregnancy20. The rates were even higher for mothers in routine or manual jobs: 46% smoked in the year before pregnancy or during and 28% throughout pregnancy compared with mothers in managerial or professional jobs whose equivalent percentages were 22% and 7%.20

The targets set out in ‘Smoking Kills’ include reducing the percentage of women who smoke during pregnancy from 23% in 1996 to 15% by 2010, with an interim fall to 18% by 200521."

See: http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/smoking/

 

[Yorkie]

I accept what Yorkie says about other contributary factors for mouth cancer but in my case the doctors said it wasa type of cancer directly attributed to smoking and drinking but then I smoked about 12 - 15 Corona cigars a day and drank a bottle opf Remy Martin VSOP neat.

I went to the dentist at 11.30 on Thursday a morning, he wasnt happy with a white spot he saw on my tongue. I saqw the registrar at Royal Surrey Hospital at 2.00pm Paul Johnstone from Maxillio Facial at 3.00pm was admitted at 4.00[pm and operated on at 8.00am next morning.

I then had Radiotherapy and 2 lymphnodes came up on my neck and after having a biospy taken I was admitted and operated on again within 12 hours. For this I praise the NHS and will not have a bad word said about The Royal Surrey in Guildford. At the time Paul Johnstone explained everything and told me I should pack up smoking and drinking neat spirits when asked what would happen if I didnt he replied " Dont book a holiday for September because you will lose your deposit". I have not smoked since that day in 1995 and got the all clear in 2005 but through my own choice still have an annual check up.

Well done to your dentist for being so quick off the mark. My friend had no idea why she got mouth cancer and why it didn't respond to treatment. She had two lots of treatment at Cookridge Hospital in Leeds and then had part of her tongue and chin removed but neither worked and she died within 18 months.

 

[Yorkie]

"Smoking Statistics - Passive smoking
Research has consistently shown that nonsmokers are put at risk by exposure to other people’s smoke18. In 1994 the Department of Health set up the Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health which concluded that passive smoking can cause lung cancer and ischaemic heart disease in adult non-smokers and respiratory disease in children.

A 2002 IARC report concluded that the risk of lung cancer for non-smokers was increased by 20- 30% if they lived with a smoker and by 16-19% if they were exposed in the workplace.

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) has estimated that around 600 lung cancer deaths are caused by passive smoking each year in the UK19.

Passive smoking is also a factor in continuing the ‘family circle’ of smoking and there is much evidence of the harmful effects on children in ‘smoking’ households including respiratory disease, asthma attacks, cot deaths and middle ear infections.

The Acheson report highlights the fact that while one third of children in the UK live with at least one adult smoker, among low-income families the figure is 57%. Smoking during pregnancy increases the risk of spontaneous abortion, pre-term birth, low birth weight and stillbirth. In 2000, 35% of women smoked in the year before or during pregnancy and 19% smoked throughout pregnancy20. The rates were even higher for mothers in routine or manual jobs: 46% smoked in the year before pregnancy or during and 28% throughout pregnancy compared with mothers in managerial or professional jobs whose equivalent percentages were 22% and 7%.20

The targets set out in ‘Smoking Kills’ include reducing the percentage of women who smoke during pregnancy from 23% in 1996 to 15% by 2010, with an interim fall to 18% by 200521."

See: http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/lung/smoking/

Thanks Fran. I had seen the SCOTH reports before but I find them puzzling because they are all percentages. What I wanted to see is actual figures.

My theory, and it is only a theory, is that this ban has been brought about more to do with wanting to avoid lawsuits by employees.

 

[BensGrandad]

I hadnt been to a dentist for years and it was only the fact that 1 of my regulars in the pub said he wouldnt be in next morning as he was going to the dentist and a couple of others said they were going soon that I got hold of yellow pages. Most of the dentists couldnt make me an appointment for a couple of months but this 1 had a cancelation and said he could see me Thursday and it so happened that he was the one who did a lot of dental work for Royal Surrey.

I was extremely lucky hence my wish that my 3 boys would pack up smoking but they have adopted the view that there is so much passive smoking that it wouldn't make any difference to them besides they are all in their 30s now so they think that it is too late.

 

[cannedheat]

Thanks Fran. I had seen the SCOTH reports before but I find them puzzling because they are all percentages. What I wanted to see is actual figures.

My theory, and it is only a theory, is that this ban has been brought about more to do with wanting to avoid lawsuits by employees.

No Yorkie it is Goverments the world over telling the truth that passive smoking is bad for your health.

 

[Fran Hagarty]

Thanks Fran. I had seen the SCOTH reports before but I find them puzzling because they are all percentages. What I wanted to see is actual figures.

Smoking Statistics


28 May 2002
About a third of the male adult global population smokes.
Smoking related-diseases kill one in 10 adults globally, or cause four million deaths. By 2030, if current trends continue, smoking will kill one in six people.
Every eight seconds, someone dies from tobacco use.
Smoking is on the rise in the developing world but falling in developed nations. Among Americans, smoking rates shrunk by nearly half in three decades (from the mid-1960s to mid-1990s), falling to 23% of adults by 1997. In the developing world, tobacco consumption is rising by 3.4% per year.
About 15 billion cigarettes are sold daily - or 10 million every minute.
About 12 times more British people have died from smoking than from World War II.
Cigarettes cause more than one in five American deaths

http://www.wpro.who.int/media_centre/fact_sheets/fs_20020528.htm

Deaths from secondhand smoke
Whilst the relative health risks from passive smoking are small in comparison with those from active
smoking, because the diseases are common, the overall health impact is large. The British Medical
Association has conservatively estimated that secondhand smoke causes at least 1,000 deaths a year in the UK. However, the true figure is likely to be much higher. Professor Konrad Jamrozik of Imperial College London estimated that domestic exposure to secondhand smoke causes at least 3,600 deaths annually from lung cancer, heart disease and stroke combined, while exposure at work leads to approximately 700 deaths from these causes. Jamrozik also estimates 49 deaths - or about 1 a week - from exposure at work in the hospitality trades. In the population aged 65 or older, passive smoking is estimated to account for 16,900 deaths annually. 9,700 are due to stroke, where current evidence of health effects is weakest

http://www.exeter.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4300

 

[Yorkie]

Thanks Fran. That is far more helpful. One in ten deaths are to do with smoking.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

I can't understand why so many kids smoke. It's not like the old days when the dangers were not known and many oldies were hooked.

Maybe it's all these celebs who preach so much about pollution and saving the plannet whilst sucking on their cancer sticks. How about some of them setting an example to the kids?

This weekend was my 1st chance to visit a pub since the ban. must say that the Star and the Franklin both seemed so much nicer 'clean'.

 

[Turkey]

At the pub I've been working in over the summer its been brilliant. All the smokers have been sitting outside, enjoying the evening as always. All the non-smokers have been inside eating and drinking. The inside has been packed. Really really busy week. Its fresher, you don't smell, and everyone's been happy.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

" Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) has estimated that around 600 lung cancer deaths are caused by passive smoking each year in the UK19. "

So they do not have 1 actual case then not 1. 600 a year , 5000 people a die die on the roads, on that basis we should ban all cars, 160 000 people a year have a hreat attack and a good percentage is down to obesity, maybe we should ban all fast fod outlets as 600 " estimate " out of 60 000 000 people is so small as to not even appear on the radar and its an estimate not proven cases

 

[dougdeep]

" Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) has estimated that around 600 lung cancer deaths are caused by passive smoking each year in the UK19. "

So they do not have 1 actual case then not 1. 600 a year , 5000 people a die die on the roads, on that basis we should ban all cars, 160 000 people a year have a hreat attack and a good percentage is down to obesity, maybe we should ban all fast fod outlets as 600 " estimate " out of 60 000 000 people is so small as to not even appear on the radar and its an estimate not proven cases

We have to eat, we have to travel. We do not have to smoke. Just give up.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

40000 people will die this year due to alcohol abuse

 

[dougdeep]

40000 people will die this year due to alcohol abuse

What exactly 40,000? Can you name them?

 

[cjd]

What exactly 40,000? Can you name them?

I,ll start......I,ll take a guess that one of them will be named Smith.

 

[itszamora]

Despite whatever people are saying about choice and whatnot in this thread (and I feel it is particularly relevant for the staff of pubs and the like who should NOT have to endanger their health by coming in to work), surely it can be argued that if this ban saves even one life, it will have been worth it?

 

[clapham_gull]

No Yorkie it is Goverments the world over telling the truth that passive smoking is bad for your health.

At the end of the day Yorkie this is very popular legislation.

I honestly don't care about the perceived dangers of passice smoking, pubs (for instance) are now more comfortable places for the MAJORITY of the population, and not everyone is in there getting sh*t faced either.

No-one has banned smoking - just banned it inside.

Roll on next season when someone won't be sitting next to me smoking cheap fags.

 

[Yorkie]

I don't disagree. I think quite a lot of people will think differently when the weather turns bad.
And when the government starts on the next Nanny legislation.

 

[Gully]

It is not compulsory to smoke, drink or use intravenous drugs but many people do, for those who indulge to excess it will more than likely shorten their lives and may even kill them way before they reach their normal life expectency...I don't have any problem with that whatsoever, it is their choice, as long as they do not cause me to go to an early grave.