Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!

[Uncle Spielberg]

Smoking is bad for you but so is alcohol, drugs, bad diet, stress, lack of exercise, too much salt, driving fast cars, contact sports , shall we ban them all. Also I think the passive smoking myth is a blatant lie frankly

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If you are stressed regularly at work through your life that will have far more chance of killing you prematurely than any amount of passive smoking for example

 

[Yorkie]

Smoking is bad for you but so is alcohol, drugs, bad diet, stress, lack of exercise, too much salt, driving fast cars, contact sports , shall we ban them all. Also I think the passive smoking myth is a blatant lie frankly

I wouldn't go that far but I think it is exaggerated. As you say there are a lot of other factors involved and of course other things that are bad for you.

For example I think it is awful that Bens Grandad had mouth cancer. I know of someone who had mouth cancer and she died aged 57. She was a work colleague of mine. She didn't drink and she didn't smoke (neither did her husband)

 

[DJ Leon]

I haven't said that, so get off your high horse. I'm glad I don't smoke any more.
I have asked for some official figures. Do you know any or where to find them?

What high horse? You've made 2/3 statements which suggets that passive smoking doesn't exist or that the risks are exaggerrated. Personally I think this is an interesting debate, but I'm not going to argue if you're going to start suggesting that really smoking and passive smoking ain't a bad thing. Oh and the figures - use Google.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If I was a non smoker I would have fought hard to stop this ban as I believe strongly in personal choice and a working compramise could easily have been met

 

[DJ Leon]

Smoking is bad for you but so is alcohol, drugs, bad diet, stress, lack of exercise, too much salt, driving fast cars, contact sports , shall we ban them all. Also I think the passive smoking myth is a blatant lie frankly

Bad diet, stress, lack of exercise doens't affect someone else's health.

You are free to think that passive smoking is a lie. I will believe what the world's scientific and medical establishment tell me.

 

[Yorkie]

What high horse? You've made 2/3 statements which suggets that passive smoking doesn't exist or that the risks are exaggerrated. Personally I think this is an interesting debate, but I'm not going to argue if you're going to start suggesting that really smoking and passive smoking ain't a bad thing. Oh and the figures - use Google.

I haven't said it didn't exist. I met Roy Castle and it was proven he died of passive smoking from working in clubs. He also used to take massive breaths of air into his lungs to blow his trumpet. That was probably a contributing factor as well.
I'm not arguing but discussing. I'm sorry if you don't like my point of view.
I have only lived the last 16 years of my live (I'm 59 in a month) without smoke affecting me and I am very healthy. My stepMum is 94 and lived with my Dad for 32 years (he was a heavy smoker)
I am only saying what I see and have experienced. Is that arguing?

 

[Yorkie]

Bad diet, stress, lack of exercise doens't affect someone else's health.

You are free to think that passive smoking is a lie. I will believe what the world's scientific and medical establishment tell me.

Where do they tell you? Where have you read the facts? I am interested (genuinely) to know.

 

[DJ Leon]

I haven't said it didn't exist. I met Roy Castle and it was proven he died of passive smoking from working in clubs. He also used to take massive breaths of air into his lungs to blow his trumpet. That was probably a contributing factor as well.
I'm not arguing but discussing. I'm sorry if you don't like my point of view.
I have only lived the last 16 years of my live (I'm 59 in a month) without smoke affecting me and I am very healthy. My stepMum is 94 and lived with my Dad for 32 years (he was a heavy smoker)
I am only saying what I see and have experienced. Is that arguing?

For God's sake it has nothing to do with not liking your opinion, I disagree with it, why are you taking it like some kind of personal slur? And if you are actually just saying what you've experienced it doens't make a good argument agaisnt the ban does it?

 

[cjd]

Didn't have any follow up questions actually. It would seem to me that this thread is about smokers complaining about the law being changed in favour of non smokers. As I have said a few times here (if you'd read the whole thread) I could care less who smokes as long as it's not around me. Whether you smoke in front of your children is your choice too. It's the opinion however of people who are better qualified than either you or me that smoking in any enclosed space is a bad idea and in fact England is by no means the first country in the world to impose such a ban.

As usual Lucky Boy Farang (if you'd have read some of his comments I think that speaks for itself) has mislead you as not unlike one or two others on here to whom lying comes naturally. Maybe you'd be better off sticking to the facts when you start accusing people.

I,ve looked through this thread several times now and I am unable to find a post from Lucky Boy Farang, so I,m not quite sure where he has misled me ? Perhaps you could tell me...?
Could you point out to me where I have accused you of something...?
I am aware that in other threads on here in the past you have appeared to be exasperated and cross at the replies you receive. I hope this debate doesn,t follow that path...
I am already aware that smoking in an enclosed area is bad for you and I am also aware (astonishingly enough..!) that England is not the first country in the world to have a ban on smoking........but thankyou for your information anyway.

 

[bhaexpress]

Smoking is bad for you but so is alcohol, drugs, bad diet, stress, lack of exercise, too much salt, driving fast cars, contact sports , shall we ban them all. Also I think the passive smoking myth is a blatant lie frankly

I agree with what you say but I can remeber what happened to me when I gave up smoking. I was fine but about six months later I changed jobs (long after the coughing associated with giving up had subsided) and I ended up being the only non smoker in an office with six smokers, yep I coughed a lot after that until I moved again.

I can't quote anything but I have to ask why this ban has been put in place if there wasn't something concrete to support it.

 

[Yorkie]

For God's sake it has nothing to do with not liking your opinion, I disagree with it, why are you taking it like some kind of personal slur? And if you are actually just saying what you've experienced it doens't make a good argument agaisnt the ban does it?

Why are you accusing me of arguing? That is why I am taking it personally. I am discussing it but your posts come across as accusatory because I am a non smoker who disagrees with the ban.
As posted many times already on this thread, I think there should be a choice of smoking and non smoking pubs.

 

[DJ Leon]

Where do they tell you? Where have you read the facts? I am interested (genuinely) to know.

Google 'passive smoking' and read the first few articles to get an idea of who is saying what.

 

[DJ Leon]

Why are you accusing me of arguing? That is why I am taking it personally. I am discussing it but your posts come across as accusatory because I am a non smoker who disagrees with the ban.
As posted many times already on this thread, I think there should be a choice of smoking and non smoking pubs.

Are we not arguing? Arguing is not a bad thing. I can use the word 'debating' if you think it has more positive connotations.

Not sure why you think I'm being accusatory. I disagree with you, that's all. Again, I'm not sure why you're taking this personally.

 

[bhaexpress]

I,ve looked through this thread several times now and I am unable to find a post from Lucky Boy Farang, so I,m not quite sure where he has misled me ? Perhaps you could tell me...?
Could you point out to me where I have accused you of something...?
I am aware that in other threads on here in the past you have appeared to be exasperated and cross at the replies you receive. I hope this debate doesn,t follow that path...
I am already aware that smoking in an enclosed area is bad for you and I am also aware (astonishingly enough..!) that England is not the first country in the world to have a ban on smoking........but thankyou for your information anyway.

Am I getting exasperated with you ? Actually I rather think the boot is on the other foot. I think that you do feel a bit uncomfortable about smoking in front of your children hence why you took exception. The point I was referring to is a little bit of a myth though and I can't be bothered to go through it again as it happened a long time ago. Still maybe your attitude to smoking is a sign that you live in the past. Maybe you smack your children as that was once considered acceptable as well.

 

[bhaexpress]

Are we not arguing? Arguing is not a bad thing. I can use the word 'debating' if you think it has more positive connotations.

Not sure why you think I'm being accusatory. I disagree with you, that's all. Again, I'm not sure why you're taking this personally.

Leon old chap, it you defend the decision for the ban it seems that a lot of people do take it personally.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The bloke who brought a pipe along to H Block one game last season was CERTAINLY risking his health. As somebody pointed out to him in no uncertain terms at half time. Funnily enough, he never came back for the second half

 

[Yorkie]

Are we not arguing? Arguing is not a bad thing. I can use the word 'debating' if you think it has more positive connotations.

Not sure why you think I'm being accusatory. I disagree with you, that's all. Again, I'm not sure why you're taking this personally.

It was the wording in your posts.

 

[DJ Leon]

It was the wording in your posts.

*sighs and leaves*

 

[bhaexpress]

Why is what was not a very serious thread got so personal all of a sudden !