The Great Cornholio
New member
Guy on videophone had to duck and loads of people running past him - very scary to watch
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
Russian Siege Over
- Thread starter Tom Hark Preston Park
- Start date
The Great Cornholio
New member
Some hostage takers may have escaped and are at large in the community. Jesus! 
The Great Cornholio
New member
Slight comedy moment if it weren't for the severity of the situation is that the anchorwoman was heard whispering if the guy who had to duck was OK - check your mic is off luv. He is OK btw
ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
The Great Cornholio said:
the reporter is ok.
it doesnt look good at the moment. its really bone chilling. there are reports that there could be another thousand people in there
The Great Cornholio
New member
All hostages out of school accorsing to a report
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
JimD - the answer is to talk. When you have people who are willing to sacrifice their own lives then the problem is not going to be solved by force. Will Israel get more than temporary respite from that wall ?
Russia's problem is that Putin came to prominence on the back of his hard line in Chechneya. That is why he doesn't want to hear the answer.
And Redland, I think you will find in time that people who take indiscriminate lives to pursue their own political agenda are terrorists. Would you take the same line if your child/brother/sister was in that school.
Russia's problem is that Putin came to prominence on the back of his hard line in Chechneya. That is why he doesn't want to hear the answer.
And Redland, I think you will find in time that people who take indiscriminate lives to pursue their own political agenda are terrorists. Would you take the same line if your child/brother/sister was in that school.
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
Dick Knights Mum said:
I get a lot of my more profound thoughts from The Godfather.
REDLAND
Active member
Dick Knights Mum said:
How would you feel if you lost loves ones at the hand of an Iraq gunman who was agreeved coz hed seen all HIS family murdered buy our government ?
answer me THAT first !!
aftershavedave
Well-known member
Dick Knights Mum said:
presumably in his own words he'd "get over it"......
FG aka FOOTBALL GENIUS
New member
- Oct 5, 2003
- 322
terrible scenes but what could the authorities in Russia do i duno whatever it wasnt gonna be right
RIP the innocent kids etc
ROT IN HELL the terrorists
RIP the innocent kids etc
ROT IN HELL the terrorists
REDLAND
Active member
afters said:
oh thats very well done
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
You have just described the futility of it all.
I am not sure how I would react, but I would hope to show the dignity of many who have lost children and family in these circumstances and look to reconciliation and dialogue in the hope others would not have to suffer the same loss.
I am not sure how I would react, but I would hope to show the dignity of many who have lost children and family in these circumstances and look to reconciliation and dialogue in the hope others would not have to suffer the same loss.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Horrific .... when you have young childen this sort of thing is very upsetting ..
My understanding of Chechneya is that the Russians screwed up by supporting one of the two factions fighting for control after independance, the side they didn't support took a dim view of this and commited a couple of atrocities outside of Chechneya against the Russians who retaliated in a particularly Russian fashion, they attempt to butcher anyone who dissagreed. Like Afghanistan and many other Countries in the former USSR, its very tribal and ruled by wafrloards and eye for an eye is the way you do business. Simply getting out of Chechneya isn't going to clear things up.
As for the Palistians, the rest of the Arab world doesn't want it fixed they think there pikeys, if they did they would have fully supported the Palistians in a military sense, which they haven't.
The Arab/Muslim world dispise the west for its support of Isreal, which considering the behaviour of the present Isrealli goverment is understandable, however the roots in this support is the fact that the USSR supported the Arabs so the West supported Isreal.
There will be an Isrealli state in the same way as there must be a Palistian state
The West have supported a Muslim cause in recent years, when the Serbs (and to a much lesser extent the Croats) were doing there best to butcher the Muslim community in the Former Yugosalvia the Muslim world couldn't give a toss, it took of all people the US to do something about it.
My understanding of Chechneya is that the Russians screwed up by supporting one of the two factions fighting for control after independance, the side they didn't support took a dim view of this and commited a couple of atrocities outside of Chechneya against the Russians who retaliated in a particularly Russian fashion, they attempt to butcher anyone who dissagreed. Like Afghanistan and many other Countries in the former USSR, its very tribal and ruled by wafrloards and eye for an eye is the way you do business. Simply getting out of Chechneya isn't going to clear things up.
As for the Palistians, the rest of the Arab world doesn't want it fixed they think there pikeys, if they did they would have fully supported the Palistians in a military sense, which they haven't.
The Arab/Muslim world dispise the west for its support of Isreal, which considering the behaviour of the present Isrealli goverment is understandable, however the roots in this support is the fact that the USSR supported the Arabs so the West supported Isreal.
There will be an Isrealli state in the same way as there must be a Palistian state
The West have supported a Muslim cause in recent years, when the Serbs (and to a much lesser extent the Croats) were doing there best to butcher the Muslim community in the Former Yugosalvia the Muslim world couldn't give a toss, it took of all people the US to do something about it.
FG aka FOOTBALL GENIUS
New member
- Oct 5, 2003
- 322
i just feel i wish to state my outrage at the SCUM that have killed innocent human beings, kids
one of the 'lucky' ones...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40031000/jpg/_40031664_baslan_reuters_202_300.jpg
RIP the unlucky ones
one of the 'lucky' ones...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40031000/jpg/_40031664_baslan_reuters_202_300.jpg
RIP the unlucky ones
Sorrel
Well-known member
I have to admit this makes me feel virtually zero sympathy for the region of Chechneya. There are going to be fewer conspicious supporters of Chechen independence after this.
Last edited:
Kryten
New member
Taken from ntlworld news
Around 300 have been injured, according to reports, and 20 children are seriously wounded.
In extraordinary scenes, rescue workers and fearful parents are advancing as near as they dare - even while the fighting continues.
Russian forces are reported to have blown a hole in the wall of the school to create another escape route for further hostages trapped inside.
Some of the released hostages are reported as saying that there were up to 1,500 people being held at gunpoint - while officials say there were 500.
A crowd of relatives waiting nearby the school spotted a suspected hostage-taker and set upon him, raining down kicks.
A group of the captors - believed to number about 40 - fled the scene and hid in a house to the south of the town, which tanks then shelled.
Some reports suggest Russian troops have gained control of the school, killing five of the armed Chechen gang that had been holding the children hostage, but massive explosions continue.
Special forces have broken into the school gym - which officials say has been cleared of hostages - where mines and booby-traps filled with metal bolts had been laid.
Up to 250 of the rescued hostages - including 180 children - are being ferried to ambulances on stretchers, badly burnt or covered in blood, to be taken to hospital.
The hostages emerged confused, hungry and thirsty. The children's clothes were soaked by their captors - who had told them to drink the water.
Reports suggest the roof has partly collapsed and captors have fired on fleeing hostages.
A Russian official says that most of the children are alive, but casualty figures are not clear in the chaos.
He said: "Those children who remained in the school, in general, did not suffer. The ones who suffered were the children in the group which ran from the school and on whom the fighters opened fire".
The captors were reported to have demanded independence for the nearby territory of Chechnya.
The gunmen refused an earlier offer to deliver food and water for the children, aged between 7 and 17, at the school in North Ossetia, a province near Chechnya.
Around 300 have been injured, according to reports, and 20 children are seriously wounded.
In extraordinary scenes, rescue workers and fearful parents are advancing as near as they dare - even while the fighting continues.
Russian forces are reported to have blown a hole in the wall of the school to create another escape route for further hostages trapped inside.
Some of the released hostages are reported as saying that there were up to 1,500 people being held at gunpoint - while officials say there were 500.
A crowd of relatives waiting nearby the school spotted a suspected hostage-taker and set upon him, raining down kicks.
A group of the captors - believed to number about 40 - fled the scene and hid in a house to the south of the town, which tanks then shelled.
Some reports suggest Russian troops have gained control of the school, killing five of the armed Chechen gang that had been holding the children hostage, but massive explosions continue.
Special forces have broken into the school gym - which officials say has been cleared of hostages - where mines and booby-traps filled with metal bolts had been laid.
Up to 250 of the rescued hostages - including 180 children - are being ferried to ambulances on stretchers, badly burnt or covered in blood, to be taken to hospital.
The hostages emerged confused, hungry and thirsty. The children's clothes were soaked by their captors - who had told them to drink the water.
Reports suggest the roof has partly collapsed and captors have fired on fleeing hostages.
A Russian official says that most of the children are alive, but casualty figures are not clear in the chaos.
He said: "Those children who remained in the school, in general, did not suffer. The ones who suffered were the children in the group which ran from the school and on whom the fighters opened fire".
The captors were reported to have demanded independence for the nearby territory of Chechnya.
The gunmen refused an earlier offer to deliver food and water for the children, aged between 7 and 17, at the school in North Ossetia, a province near Chechnya.
ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
jornalists that have been in the gym have said that there could be up to 100 dead bodies in the gym. this is getting worse by the minute
Lush
Mods' Pet
Chilling eyewitness accounts via the BBC....
"Survivors of the Russian school siege have been giving details of their ordeal.
A teacher freed by the gang in the middle of the siege estimated there had been about 1,500 captives.
One boy who emerged on Friday, looking pale and anguished, told reporters he had been so shocked at his release he was unable to recognise his own parents.
Diana, another survivor, said people had had nothing to eat or drink.
"We were forced to urinate into bottles and drink our own urine through our shirts that we put over the top of them," she said.
They placed two big bombs in the basketball baskets and then laid cables connected to smaller charges right across the gym
Many of the children who ran to safety after Friday's explosions began were in their underwear, having been kept herded together by their captors in the late summer heat.
Two boys, one of them injured, told Russia's NTV channel of the moment an explosion gave them a chance to escape.
"Suddenly there was an explosion," said one.
"And we lay down behind our chairs - I was lying full of fear," said the other.
Asked how he had got his injuries, the wounded boy said he had been trying to break windows along with others.
"People could not get out and were smashing the windows," he said.
"We were lucky really that we had plastic windows in our sports hall. Otherwise there would have been more cuts and injuries.
"I saw people running away in all directions. Some 200 or 300 people were running in the same direction as we were."
The boy said that the captors had opened fire on the escaping hostages.
"They were firing at the escaping people from the top of the roof," he told NTV.
The boys added that the first explosion had produced a lot of smoke while a second blast rained down burning debris.
Rita Gadzhinova, a physics teacher, was freed by the gang on Thursday along with her three-year-old daughter, Madina, but was not allowed to take out her other two daughters, aged 11 and 14.
Some of the wounded were taken out of the gym and finished off right in the corridor
In an interview for Russia's Izvestiya newspaper, she described how the gang had seized the school in a matter of minutes, taking hostage about 1,500 people, according to her calculations.
The attackers herded their captives into the gym where they planted two big bombs in the two basketball baskets and laid cables leading to other, smaller charges across the floor, said Ms Gadzhinova.
Asked to describe them, she said they had never removed their masks and always talked in a whisper, speaking in Russian with Chechen or Ingush accents. She said she could not tell how many of them there were and had not seen any women fighters in the gym.
They would fire into the ceiling to frighten their captives but did not abuse anyone, she said.
However, men among the hostages were periodically put up against windows as human shields, the teacher added.
"The youngest children were very frightened but they behaved with great discipline though they often asked to go to the toilet because of their fear," she said.
"They were marched to the toilet and if the toddlers started to cry the fighters would fire blanks in the air and shout for them to keep quiet."
Fellow hostage Zalina Dzandarova, 27, said two women suicide bombers had blown themselves up in a corridor of the school on the first day of the siege, killing some male hostages.
"The men terrorists told us afterwards that their sisters had conquered," she said.
Speaking to Russia's Kommersant newspaper, she supported Mrs Gadzhinova's figure of 1,500 hostages and added that there seemed to have been about 30 gunmen.
Ms Dzandarova said the gunmen had shot dead at least 20 people on the first day of the siege.
They killed those who had been wounded during the invasion of the school and also killed any men who tried to resist them, she said.
"Some of the wounded were taken out of the gym and finished off right in the corridor," the former hostage added. "
"Survivors of the Russian school siege have been giving details of their ordeal.
A teacher freed by the gang in the middle of the siege estimated there had been about 1,500 captives.
One boy who emerged on Friday, looking pale and anguished, told reporters he had been so shocked at his release he was unable to recognise his own parents.
Diana, another survivor, said people had had nothing to eat or drink.
"We were forced to urinate into bottles and drink our own urine through our shirts that we put over the top of them," she said.
They placed two big bombs in the basketball baskets and then laid cables connected to smaller charges right across the gym
Many of the children who ran to safety after Friday's explosions began were in their underwear, having been kept herded together by their captors in the late summer heat.
Two boys, one of them injured, told Russia's NTV channel of the moment an explosion gave them a chance to escape.
"Suddenly there was an explosion," said one.
"And we lay down behind our chairs - I was lying full of fear," said the other.
Asked how he had got his injuries, the wounded boy said he had been trying to break windows along with others.
"People could not get out and were smashing the windows," he said.
"We were lucky really that we had plastic windows in our sports hall. Otherwise there would have been more cuts and injuries.
"I saw people running away in all directions. Some 200 or 300 people were running in the same direction as we were."
The boy said that the captors had opened fire on the escaping hostages.
"They were firing at the escaping people from the top of the roof," he told NTV.
The boys added that the first explosion had produced a lot of smoke while a second blast rained down burning debris.
Rita Gadzhinova, a physics teacher, was freed by the gang on Thursday along with her three-year-old daughter, Madina, but was not allowed to take out her other two daughters, aged 11 and 14.
Some of the wounded were taken out of the gym and finished off right in the corridor
In an interview for Russia's Izvestiya newspaper, she described how the gang had seized the school in a matter of minutes, taking hostage about 1,500 people, according to her calculations.
The attackers herded their captives into the gym where they planted two big bombs in the two basketball baskets and laid cables leading to other, smaller charges across the floor, said Ms Gadzhinova.
Asked to describe them, she said they had never removed their masks and always talked in a whisper, speaking in Russian with Chechen or Ingush accents. She said she could not tell how many of them there were and had not seen any women fighters in the gym.
They would fire into the ceiling to frighten their captives but did not abuse anyone, she said.
However, men among the hostages were periodically put up against windows as human shields, the teacher added.
"The youngest children were very frightened but they behaved with great discipline though they often asked to go to the toilet because of their fear," she said.
"They were marched to the toilet and if the toddlers started to cry the fighters would fire blanks in the air and shout for them to keep quiet."
Fellow hostage Zalina Dzandarova, 27, said two women suicide bombers had blown themselves up in a corridor of the school on the first day of the siege, killing some male hostages.
"The men terrorists told us afterwards that their sisters had conquered," she said.
Speaking to Russia's Kommersant newspaper, she supported Mrs Gadzhinova's figure of 1,500 hostages and added that there seemed to have been about 30 gunmen.
Ms Dzandarova said the gunmen had shot dead at least 20 people on the first day of the siege.
They killed those who had been wounded during the invasion of the school and also killed any men who tried to resist them, she said.
"Some of the wounded were taken out of the gym and finished off right in the corridor," the former hostage added. "
Albion Dan
Banned
Duncan H said:
But you understand nothing of what the Chechens have been through, they have seen their kids murdered for the last 10 years.
I saw a documentry on the conflict on channel 4 years ago and the Russian soldiers treatment of the chechen civillians was nothing short of orrific, truly stomach churning scenes. You ahve to ask what drives people to do these things, if youd seen that documentry youd have more than a little sympathy.
Sorrel
Well-known member
To be honest, today, the Russians could do what they like to Chechen independence supporters, and I would support the Russians. I supported the American invasion of Afghanistan for the same reason.
It is the heat of the moment, and I'm sure I'll moderate my views. But what those terrorists did in that school should turn any Chechen independence supporter against violence, and those who continue a violent struggle can all be wiped out as far as I am concerned.