[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[GT49er]

Hungary needs to be sidelined. Marginalised. Removed from core decision making.

This is an existential war, for Ukraine, and perhaps, for Russia. It may escalate. NATO cannot afford to carry a nation that has its hand on the brake. Neither can it afford the security risk of a member nation divulging classified information to the enemy.

Suspension (at the very least) from the EU and NATO would be appropriate, surely? His country (where all the younger people want western lifestyles anyway and detest his government) loses all the economic benefits of being a receiving nation of EU funds, and is told that no-one will help when Russian tanks roll in - well, that should give him food for thought at least. And internal unrest on a big scale - he might have to flee to Mother Russia as other leaders who believed in Stalinism have had to.

Didn't that happen to a pro-soviet leader of Ukraine not a million years ago?

 

[raymondo]

A good update from Davydov about recent refinery strikes, new Patriot systems,Putin in N Korea, plus his views on possible war outcomes. Nothing particularly new, but a good summary.

 

[fly high]

**** This post to be read in conjunction with post #15,942 about a Russian complaining about Ukrainian drones ****

David Axe of Forbes.com is a good writer, and writes about ships, tanks, drones, planes and missiles.

Ukrainian Drone Operators ‘Laugh’ When They Fly Over This Melting, Malfunctioning Russian Radio Jammer

The $2,400 jammer is getting Russian soldiers killed, one blogger claimed.

www.forbes.com

Forget the Russian radio jammer. The interesting detail is in the second paragraph.
'which Ukrainians deploy at a rate of 100,000 or more a month.'

That's around 3,333 drones deployed per day. On average.

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It's amazing just how incompetent the Russians are, guess it all goes back to corruption which runs through their military and government.

 

[fly high]

Ukraine says it destroyed Russian drone base

The warehouse seen in satellite images was used to launch Iranian-made Shahed drones and train people, Kyiv said.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ukrainian drones strike again

 

[Eric the meek]

Shootings and explosions in Makhachkala and Derbent, Dagestan (next door to Chechnya):

 

[essbee1]

Shootings and explosions in Makhachkala and Derbent, Dagestan (next door to Chechnya):

Sad if innocent people have died in this. But I hope, not for the first time, but could this signal some
form of civil unrest that will cause our little tragic ***** in Moscow a massive headache?

 

[Eric the meek]

I'll add this to the list of things I didn't see coming.

 

[raymondo]

I'll add this to the list of things I didn't see coming.

Wow, playing two sides in just two days .

 

[Eric the meek]

Wow, playing two sides in just two days .

We're going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, aren't we? Turkey, Hungary, Vietnam... who's next?

I think we may have to update our emoji list. 'Swings both ways'?

 

[raymondo]

We're going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, aren't we? Turkey, Hungary, Vietnam... who's next?

I think we may have to update our emoji list. 'Swings both ways'?

India, Slovakia... it's the way of the world, it's become the norm.

 

[Eric the meek]

India, Slovakia... it's the way of the world, it's become the norm.

Yes, you're right. But it's a bit rubbish isn't it?

In my naivety, I expect honesty and integrity from people, both on an individual and on a nation-state level.

 

[raymondo]

Yes, you're right. But it's a bit rubbish isn't it?

In my naivety, I expect honesty and integrity from people, both on an individual and on a nation-state level.

Yeah we'll have to get used to it.

The friend/foe labels are now by subject rather than by country: cheap oil? sanctions? protection? threat? weapon supplies? my enemy's enemy? aid? ...

 

[fly high]

Sad if innocent people have died in this. But I hope, not for the first time, but could this signal some
form of civil unrest that will cause our little tragic ***** in Moscow a massive headache?

Being reported 16 dead. I can see where you are coming from but to me attacks on church & synagogue just smacks of extremist bigoted Muslim group who have no place in a civilised world. Not that the world is civilised every where.

 

[Triggaaar]

We're going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, aren't we? Turkey, Hungary, Vietnam... who's next?

I think we may have to update our emoji list. 'Swings both ways'?

Maybe just a Swiss flag?

 

[Eric the meek]

Keep 'em coming.

 

[Eric the meek]

I've posted the tweet on the 'Nigel Farage and Reform' thread, so I won't post it on here as well.

Farage has come out calling for peace negotiations....

Even though the west (including the US) believe that any peace negotiations are down to Ukraine.

 

[Baldseagull]

Keep 'em coming.

Carelessly discarded cigarette no doubt.

 

[fly high]

I've posted the tweet on the 'Nigel Farage and Reform' thread, so I won't post it on here as well.

Farage has come out calling for peace negotiations....

Even though the west (including the US) believe that any peace negotiations are down to Ukraine.

He's parroting Putin & knows damn well Ukraine have no intention of giving Russia territory. But then he spouts bollocks about everything.

 

[Triggaaar]

He's parroting Putin & knows damn well Ukraine have no intention of giving Russia territory. But then he spouts bollocks about everything.

He's often paid to spout his stuff

 

[sparkie]

I've posted the tweet on the 'Nigel Farage and Reform' thread, so I won't post it on here as well.

Farage has come out calling for peace negotiations....

Even though the west (including the US) believe that any peace negotiations are down to Ukraine.

Peace negotiations are not needed.

Russia leaves Ukraine = Peace breaking out.

Simple.