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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



The Clamp

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Well said...and if you make a few donations to the refurbishment of the launderette, and help entrench it's management, we'll overlook that you stole the coins you're putting in the machine

It’s like a lazy landlord letting the troublemakers drink in his pub. Yeah, you’ll get money in the till but your pub gets a bad reputation and the decent folk stay away.
 




raymondo

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68 new entities on the UK consolidated list (Russian included) just this morning. We have the pleasure of finding such matches and instigating freezing of accounts if confirmed. Was hoping to leave early today for tonight’s game!

I hope so, PG, I really hope so. Call me a slightly old cynic (well defo old, slightly cynical), but I still think we'd remain a soft touch in this: the entities would take us to court (BRITISH courts), pay excellent lawyers, and get access to their funds returned. That's why they come here in the first place.
 


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Hi, Masters in 20th Century history with an emphasis on Russia post-1917 and the Cold War here.

Just wanted to chip in and say you're talking utter bollox. Only one European leader of the last century has wanted to "colonise Russia". The shouty guy with the silly moustache, big in central Europe in the 1930s. Didn't work out too well for him. Worth also noting several of his henchmen and buddies tried to get the other western Allies (including the USA) to wage war against the Soviet Union in 1945. If the west seriously, as you claim, wanted to colonise Russia, that was their ideal chance to do so The fact they not only didn't but fought with Russia speaks volumes.

You might think you're the great expert on everything but actually no, you really aren't.

I think we should colonise Leningrad.
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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Hi, Masters in 20th Century history with an emphasis on Russia post-1917 and the Cold War here.

Just wanted to chip in and say you're talking utter bollox. Only one European leader of the last century has wanted to "colonise Russia". The shouty guy with the silly moustache, big in central Europe in the 1930s. Didn't work out too well for him. Worth also noting several of his henchmen and buddies tried to get the other western Allies (including the USA) to wage war against the Soviet Union in 1945. If the west seriously, as you claim, wanted to colonise Russia, that was their ideal chance to do so The fact they not only didn't but fought with Russia speaks volumes.

You might think you're the great expert on everything but actually no, you really aren't.

I think he was referring to the Mongol Horde, but got his East & West confused and was about 700 years out.
 


raymondo

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It’s like a lazy landlord letting the troublemakers drink in his pub. Yeah, you’ll get money in the till but your pub gets a bad reputation and the decent folk stay away.

Exactly. And, I don't know how much residential property is owned to dodgy/corrupt Russians, Saudis etc, but there has to be a knock on effect on prices in London (and it won't only be London in the UK) that trickles down the ladder. I'm becoming more minded to the way home ownership is in Denmark, e.g., where one has to be a citizen.
 




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Good read... leading the reader to understand that it's a question of loopholes and domestic criminality. If Chatham House are highlighting these gaps, I am confident that HM Gov is taking steps to design in some tighter management of the Kleptocracy issues.

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Paulie Gualtieri

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I hope so, PG, I really hope so. Call me a slightly old cynic (well defo old, slightly cynical), but I still think we'd remain a soft touch in this: the entities would take us to court (BRITISH courts), pay excellent lawyers, and get access to their funds returned. That's why they come here in the first place.

We have always been a light touch and its served our economy.

Always remember Cameron having the nerve at a corruption conference to point fingers at the Nigerians!

The system is weak and will continue to be weak. Have a look at the state of play at companies house, as much as they push the soundbites of a transparent UK register, there is absolutely no validation undertaken by companies house at inception. Even more laughable is they expect the private sector to tell them of their records are not accurate!

Have a look at the work Graham Barrow of the Dark Money Files has undertaken in this area if of interest. Currently we have an insurgent of 2-3k Chinese companies a day registering legal entities above chip shops and so forth!
 


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I think he was referring to the Mongol Horde, but got his East & West confused and was about 700 years out.

I'd imagine Genghis Khan got the shock of his life when he rounded the corner on his horse and found himself face-to-face with a Sherman tank
 




raymondo

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We have always been a light touch and its served our economy.

Always remember Cameron having the nerve at a corruption conference to point fingers at the Nigerians!

The system is weak and will continue to be weak. Have a look at the state of play at companies house, as much as they push the soundbites of a transparent UK register, there is absolutely no validation undertaken by companies house at inception. Even more laughable is they expect the private sector to tell them of their records are not accurate!

Have a look at the work Graham Barrow of the Dark Money Files has undertaken in this area if of interest. Currently we have an insurgent of 2-3k Chinese companies a day registering legal entities above chip shops and so forth!

Blimey...2-3k per day?? Thanks for the Barrow heads up, I'll take a look later 👍
 


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heathgate

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We have always been a light touch and its served our economy.

Always remember Cameron having the nerve at a corruption conference to point fingers at the Nigerians!

The system is weak and will continue to be weak. Have a look at the state of play at companies house, as much as they push the soundbites of a transparent UK register, there is absolutely no validation undertaken by companies house at inception. Even more laughable is they expect the private sector to tell them of their records are not accurate!

Have a look at the work Graham Barrow of the Dark Money Files has undertaken in this area if of interest. Currently we have an insurgent of 2-3k Chinese companies a day registering legal entities above chip shops and so forth!
China is for me the big player... but in their case, in my opinion, their objective is the long game of political influence. They are less subtle about it around the developing countries in places like the continent of Africa.. ie they simply openly bribe and bully everyone they can to enable mining of resources and political influence.

In places like the UK, they are on a mission creep, probably a 50 year plan to become the dominant global force, militarily, economically and politically.

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Swansman

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Hi, Masters in 20th Century history with an emphasis on Russia post-1917 and the Cold War here.

Just wanted to chip in and say you're talking utter bollox. Only one European leader of the last century has wanted to "colonise Russia". The shouty guy with the silly moustache, big in central Europe in the 1930s. Didn't work out too well for him. Worth also noting several of his henchmen and buddies tried to get the other western Allies (including the USA) to wage war against the Soviet Union in 1945. If the west seriously, as you claim, wanted to colonise Russia, that was their ideal chance to do so The fact they not only didn't but fought with Russia speaks volumes.

You might think you're the great expert on everything but actually no, you really aren't.

What is officially stated doesnt tell the whole truth.

No one, as far as I know, said they wanted to "colonise" Iraq back in 2003 yet that is exactly what happen and it was the purpose all long despite the gobbering about "weapons of mass destruction". And there are countless other examples.
 


Blue Valkyrie

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Lets hope the West - for once - will make the decision to avoid sending hundreds of thousands of men to die in the battle for Western dominance and all those tasty natural resources in the East but I really wouldnt count on it. The propaganda machine is clearly winding people up, yet again. Impressive how it works every time. Anyone who knows a fair bit of history should also know that the whole "NATO and their members are all about peace and love" shit is ridiculous.
Better that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die defending their lands and hunting Russian invaders ? ???

Not for me.
 


The Clamp

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What is officially stated doesnt tell the whole truth.

No one, as far as I know, said they wanted to "colonise" Iraq back in 2003 yet that is exactly what happen and it was the purpose all long despite the gobbering about "weapons of mass destruction". And there are countless other examples.

The idea that anyone is going to try and colonise Russia is simply ludicrous for the foreseeable. It’s simply not on anyone’s agenda. All anyone can do with a nation like Russia is try and keep them reasonably on-side through sanctions and diplomacy.

Sorry, but your off-the-rack, 6th form view of global politics just doesn’t fit this situation. It certainly isn’t comparable to Iraq.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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What is officially stated doesnt tell the whole truth.

No one, as far as I know, said they wanted to "colonise" Iraq back in 2003 yet that is exactly what happen and it was the purpose all long despite the gobbering about "weapons of mass destruction". And there are countless other examples.

Well, no.

There was a military occupation for a period of time. Colonising is settling somewhere permanently. Nobody sane or vaguely important has ever stated they want to make Iraq a western colony
 


Blue Valkyrie

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How many Ukrainian military personnel are facing the Russian troops, as there doesn’t seem to be a mention of this anywhere? Ukraine has an army of some 250,000 soldiers, where are they all?
They are deployed throughout Ukraine. Every inch of Ukraine will be fought over - by both the army and the population.

Only the mad man in Moscow can stop it.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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Better that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die defending their lands and hunting Russian invaders ? ???

Not for me.

I've always felt that there are a lot of people out there who are happy enough for hundred of thousands to die, as long as they have the decency not to do so on their TV screens
 


Randy McNob

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Russia will not invade, putting your troops on the border is just flexing your muscles, if you really wanted to invade a country you try and catch them with their pants down and plan a surprise attack, gain a foothold

If they were serious they would have already done it by now
 






sydney

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What is officially stated doesnt tell the whole truth.

No one, as far as I know, said they wanted to "colonise" Iraq back in 2003 yet that is exactly what happen and it was the purpose all long despite the gobbering about "weapons of mass destruction". And there are countless other examples.

his research was "Peer Reviewed" so it has to be "gospel" another oxymoron , i refer you to John Lyons quote re the woke....etc.
 


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