[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[PTC Gull]

I read a tweet or a reply to something, ostensibly from someone who claimed to be a pilot, which said that planes give out a signal, identifying themselves as military or civilian. So, if a missile was launched at the plane, the Russian who was operating the anti-aircraft system, whether on the vodka or not, either didn't see the signal, or ignored it.

To the First point that is correct. To the Second point......probably!

 

[The Fifth Column]

Some ill informed internet missile experts on here! As someone with a military background in electronic warfare and anti missile knowledge i can say with a degree of accuracy that the Russians do not possess the tech or ability to be able to shoot down their own anti aircraft missiles that they've just fired, these things travel at hypersonic speeds and take seconds from launch to target you simply wouldnt have time to make that decision and then fire another missile which would need to have a faster speed than the first one, its a ridiculous idea. Next up, Russian anti aircraft missile tech is way behind all modern western systems, their missiles are proximity fused, heat signature or radar guided, sometimes a combo of those. Many are fire and forget or autonomously controlled with transmitted live targetting data, any decision to abort a launch usually consists of instructing the missile to simply fly away from the target until it expends its fuel and then either fall to earth or detonate harmlessly midair. Heat seeking missiles target the hot engines and exhaust gases, the others are generally designed to get as close.to the largest metal fuselage mass as possible before detonation, this will in almost every case result in catastrophic damage to any aircraft flying at speed, they don't target the cockpit that would require a level of technical sophistication the Russians simply dont possess besides the flight controls which run within the fuselage and flight surfaces of the wings and tail are.much more likely to be hit and successfully bring down an aircraft. Most likely system used to down the airliner in this event is the Pantsir S1 which is actually a pretty decent system but probably crewed by rookies since all the decent experienced crews will be in Ukraine (or already dead), if it wasnt a targetted attack they probably thought they were shooting down a large ukrainian attack drone or had it on auto and were pissed on vodka which isnt as unbelievable as it sounds.

 

[Eric the meek]

Some ill informed internet missile experts on here! As someone with a military background in electronic warfare and anti missile knowledge i can say with a degree of accuracy that the Russians do not possess the tech or ability to be able to shoot down their own anti aircraft missiles that they've just fired, these things travel at hypersonic speeds and take seconds from launch to target you simply wouldnt have time to make that decision and then fire another missile which would need to have a faster speed than the first one, its a ridiculous idea. Next up, Russian anti aircraft missile tech is way behind all modern western systems, their missiles are proximity fused, heat signature or radar guided, sometimes a combo of those. Many are fire and forget or autonomously controlled with transmitted live targetting data, any decision to abort a launch usually consists of instructing the missile to simply fly away from the target until it expends its fuel and then either fall to earth or detonate harmlessly midair. Heat seeking missiles target the hot engines and exhaust gases, the others are generally designed to get as close.to the largest metal fuselage mass as possible before detonation, this will in almost every case result in catastrophic damage to any aircraft flying at speed, they don't target the cockpit that would require a level of technical sophistication the Russians simply dont possess besides the flight controls which run within the fuselage and flight surfaces of the wings and tail are.much more likely to be hit and successfully bring down an aircraft. Most likely system used to down the airliner in this event is the Pantsir S1 which is actually a pretty decent system but probably crewed by rookies since all the decent experienced crews will be in Ukraine (or already dead), if it wasnt a targetted attack they probably thought they were shooting down a large ukrainian attack drone or had it on auto and were pissed on vodka which isnt as unbelievable as it sounds.

All those times in nearly three years of war, that the Russians claimed 'we shot down all the missiles' were a bit wide of the mark then?

 

[Triggaaar]

Some ill informed internet missile experts on here! As someone with a military background in electronic warfare and anti missile knowledge i can say with a degree of accuracy that the Russians do not possess the tech or ability to be able to shoot down their own anti aircraft missiles that they've just fired, these things travel at hypersonic speeds and take seconds from launch to target you simply wouldnt have time to make that decision and then fire another missile which would need to have a faster speed than the first one, its a ridiculous idea.

Indeed.

 

[Eric the meek]

The Finns went fishing and caught a whopper:

 

[Eric the meek]

The ruble is down 5% against the USD this morning.

It began the day at 0.01 USD and is now at 0.0095 USD. There has been no action taken yet by the central bank of Russia.

Edit: 00.93 within a moment.

Very briefly, at 16:25 hours, the exchange rate dropped to 0.0092, but by 16:30, it had returned to 0.0095. They are fire-fighting.

 

[Sirnormangall]

As the Baltic Sea now comprises only NATO members (Russia excepted) can’t we put further pressure on Russia by blockading / restricting access to their ports and restricting the movement of their ships? Might break international law - but that’s what Putin does.

 

[Eric the meek]

As the Baltic Sea now comprises only NATO members (Russia excepted) can’t we put further pressure on Russia by blockading / restricting access to their ports and restricting the movement of their ships? Might break international law - but that’s what Putin does.

The west should canvass all the Nato members for their input. Russia has only Russia to discuss strategy with; it is at a huge disadvantage. The west has a huge pool of experience and know-how to draw on.

Blockading /restricting access to Russian ports may need to be a weapon in a future conflict, but I have been very impressed with the effectiveness of the sanctions so far.
Sure, Russia has found ways to partially circumvent them, what with shadow fleets etc, but it is always on the back foot, seeking agreements with less than optimal trading partners. This is good. It means gradual weakening, in a manageable, non-escalating way. Death by a thousand cuts, many of which won't be seen by our Russian savages.

 

[Sirnormangall]

The west should canvass all the Nato members for their input. Russia has only Russia to discuss strategy with; it is at a huge disadvantage. The west has a huge pool of experience and know-how to draw on.

Blockading /restricting access to Russian ports may need to be a weapon in a future conflict, but I have been very impressed with the effectiveness of the sanctions so far.
Sure, Russia has found ways to partially circumvent them, what with shadow fleets etc, but it is always on the back foot, seeking agreements with less than optimal trading partners. This is good. It means gradual weakening, in a manageable, non-escalating way. Death by a thousand cuts, many of which won't be seen by our Russian savages.

Yes sanctions have to remain butt must be enforced - I’ve read recently ( different sources) that there have been numerous breaches in the UK yet only one prosecution.

 

[Eric the meek]

Yes sanctions have to remain butt must be enforced - I’ve read recently ( different sources) that there have been numerous breaches in the UK yet only one prosecution.

Yes, there have been transgressions, in the US, UK and France that I know of. They absolutely need to be enforced, followed up, and prosecuted.

 

[Triggaaar]

Japan to transfer $3 billion from frozen Russian assets to Ukraine, Zelensky says

In a phone call with Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba, Zelensky expressed his gratitude for Japan's previous aid to Ukraine, which has totaled $12 billion and "makes it possible to save thousands of lives."

kyivindependent.com

 

[SeagullinExile]

As the Baltic Sea now comprises only NATO members (Russia excepted) can’t we put further pressure on Russia by blockading / restricting access to their ports and restricting the movement of their ships? Might break international law - but that’s what Putin does.

Blockading ports would also be a declaration of war, something that NATO won’t do. It is a defensive pact after all.