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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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It can be revoked
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,616
I just watched in draw dropping disbelief. And my first instincts are seemingly widely conveyed on twitter.
JD Vance is a f***king tw*t and he alone was the culprit. Zelensky carried the weight of his nation, he stood up for, politely but firmly for the truth about the reality of Putin and his breaking of all agreements, then Vance ambushed him, humiliated him and pushed all of Trumps buttons.
Zelenskyy was still trying to simply answer the BS of Vance, politely and they both harangued him, saying he's not grateful enough.... grateful for US over inflating the value of its weapons supplies and demanding minerals to pay it back.
And Zelensky was right, that maybe the US will feel it back one day, which Trump took such offence against..... If Putin gets Ukraine, he will go for baltics. And when he does its article 5.
One of the most significant news events of our lifetimes and caused entirely by Elon Musks VP plant.
JD Vance is a f***king tw*t and he alone was the culprit. Zelensky carried the weight of his nation, he stood up for, politely but firmly for the truth about the reality of Putin and his breaking of all agreements, then Vance ambushed him, humiliated him and pushed all of Trumps buttons.
Zelenskyy was still trying to simply answer the BS of Vance, politely and they both harangued him, saying he's not grateful enough.... grateful for US over inflating the value of its weapons supplies and demanding minerals to pay it back.
And Zelensky was right, that maybe the US will feel it back one day, which Trump took such offence against..... If Putin gets Ukraine, he will go for baltics. And when he does its article 5.
One of the most significant news events of our lifetimes and caused entirely by Elon Musks VP plant.
GoldstoneVintage
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Watch Fox News spin this now. This is about turning US population against Zelensky/Ukraine. 
maffew
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Watch angry exchange between Trump and Zelensky at White House
The US president accused the Ukrainian leader of being disrespectful in a tense meeting in the Oval Office.
www.bbc.co.uk
Appalled
dejavuatbtn
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It will all be part of their “Love a Russian” campaign.Watch Fox News spin this now. This is about turning US population against Zelensky/Ukraine.
GoldstoneVintage
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Zelensky isn't safe in the US. I can just imagine an 'unknown assailent' taking him out.
The US govt is coming to resemble Russia at an alarming speed.
The US govt is coming to resemble Russia at an alarming speed.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The only possible salvation I can think of, would be if the idea that the ambush was planned and premeditated, gains traction.
But I'm grasping at straws of course.
But I'm grasping at straws of course.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,616
As crazy as this may seem right now, and you're right that pro Trump media will try and spin it, this could......could just be a blessing in disguise.Watch Fox News spin this now. This is about turning US population against Zelensky/Ukraine.
The MAGA crowd are already pro Russian anti Ukraine, this may make them more fervent in their pro Russian anti Ukrainianism, but I genuinely believe anyone who watches that, whose either leaning pro Ukraine or neutral is going to side with Zelenskyy.
If Zelenskyy popularity goes up and Trumps/JD Vance goes down, and if the majority see it this same way as we do, It may do a lot more reputational damage to Trump than Zelenskyy.
I have no doubt, most level headed US politicians, even on the republican side, will have been aghast themselves.
JD Vance has just made WW3 more likely by attacking Zelenskyy and platforming war criminal Putin and his narratives.
So Europe will need to double what it provides Ukraine.
Obviously I don't want anyone to profit from Ukraine, but it won't be easy for Europe to absorb all the costs with the US out of the picture, so perhaps Europe needs to do a deal with Ukraine on its resources. Provide all the military support needed to win this war, and get some (not all) of that repaid afterwards.
Obviously I don't want anyone to profit from Ukraine, but it won't be easy for Europe to absorb all the costs with the US out of the picture, so perhaps Europe needs to do a deal with Ukraine on its resources. Provide all the military support needed to win this war, and get some (not all) of that repaid afterwards.
HalfaSeatOn
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What a f’in Trump/Putin stitch up.
Anger
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- Jul 21, 2017
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Disgraceful performance from Trump and Vance yet again.
I always thought JD Vance was a discount retailer. He certainly isn’t a politician.
Neither of them are half the man Zelensky is and if they were leader of a small nation in the same circumstances you can bet their wide asses that they would have fled from their country to save their gutless skins rather than stand their ground.
I always thought JD Vance was a discount retailer. He certainly isn’t a politician.
Neither of them are half the man Zelensky is and if they were leader of a small nation in the same circumstances you can bet their wide asses that they would have fled from their country to save their gutless skins rather than stand their ground.
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GoldstoneVintage
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One of the most galling things for me is how Trump pretends he is impartial - between Ukraine and Russia (which is bad enough!) but it's patently untrue when he literally never criticises Putin. C*** sucker!
Bridcutt
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- Aug 10, 2011
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This was 100% pre planned. Look at the cess pool response from this government account and it's retweets https://x.com/RapidResponse47
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I'm sure it's deliberate, 100%. Is it perhaps to justify (to maga) his extortion of Ukrainian minerals?
maffew
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Agree with this but I think the US provides weaponry Europe doesn't have
But there needs to be a European alliance, at whatever cost. 300b should do it over 4 years Russia will have no army left and their economy will be more fooked. This is going to be a big problem, US is no way going to give more weapons, and I suspect US are gonna lift their sanctions on Russia.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,616
Both France individually and EU wanted Ukraines minerals too. Allegedly Ukraine has enough ammo for another year too, though not enough patriot missiles.
If Trump is going to go after EU with tarrifs anyway, this is the time for EU to do the deal with Ukraine, and virtually cut off the US in as much as is possible without needing to formally announce it... Just start to move in a unified european direction without redress to Trump or US.
We dont need their permission, let Trump boil in his own piss with Putin and the democratic free world can do the right thing.
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US Seagull
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Jesus christ this is as bad as anything this human shit stain has ever done. What a piece of crap.
I'm absolutely fuming.
I'm absolutely fuming.
Suspect this might be an unpopular viewpoint, but I don’t think Zelensky handled that very well. Telling Trump what to do is never going to go down well. He needed to play to his ego and manipulate him though it. Like Starmer did yesterday. A lot harder to do in your third language, I fully accept.
I haven't watched it yet, but all I can say is well done, Zelenskiy, be true to yourself mate, whateverZelensky is pointing out where Trump and Vance are factually wrong and lying. I can't see this ending well
