[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Neville's Breakfast]

why are you on about "families, towns and communities", it doesn't seem to make any sense?

He was making the point that these are the people you fight for in times of war. Not political parties.

 

[birthofanorange]

Back on topic:
I'm heartened to see that most of the world isn't backing Putin, although that also makes me slightly nervous about his reaction to that.

 

[um bongo molongo]

I’m just boarding a BA from Dubai to LHR now. Running about 3.5 hrs late. Seems like they’re starting to sort things out, but have clearly had major problems over the last 24hrs - not sure if it is a cyber attack or just a routine snarl-up.

It’s BA - not sure a cyber attack would make much difference to their horrendous customer service.

 

[shingle]

why are you on about "families, towns and communities", it doesn't seem to make any sense?

We were discussing people's motives for defending their country in WW2. I maintained that it wan't so much because the leadership of the time told us to, more that people were more motivated by other factors.

 

[rogersix]

Stop trying to score points you idiot. Maybe the UK will, maybe it is a ‘look at me’ moment from elsewhere. Whatever it is, it is time to unite against a facist cxxt, namely Putin.

the british conservative and union party are on the kremlin pay roll, it's all related; you're the one point scoring because you don't want your side to be found to be complicit

 

[rogersix]

He was making the point that these are the people you fight for in times of war. Not political parties.

but they're not under threat, so no one is fighting for these people

 

[rogersix]

We were discussing people's motives for defending their country in WW2. I maintained that it wan't so much because the leadership of the time told us to, more that people were more motivated by other factors.

i can't remember who said it but, the past is a foreign country.

futile exercise, dragging up WWII

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

but they're not under threat, so no one is fighting for these people

I think you need to scroll back a few pages to the remarks made by Wrong Direction and others to see the context.

 

[shingle]

but they're not under threat, so no one is fighting for these people

What are you on about

 

[birthofanorange]

Can we please leave the above stuff out of this thread? Pretty please?
It's a distraction, as there's a lot of interesting and informative posts here, which I actually find helpful. Thanks.

 

[jcdenton08]

Astonishes me that people are debating party politics when we are on the brink of a third world war. I get the strong feeling that people don't realise how incredibly serious this situation is.

Russia has 6200 nuclear warheads, more than the UK (255), France (500) and US (3750) combined.

If push comes to shove, this won't be "good old Tommy's going off to liberate Ukraine", this could be instant and complete annihilation of the entirety of Europe.

 

[W.C.]

Stop trying to score points you idiot. Maybe the UK will, maybe it is a ‘look at me’ moment from elsewhere. Whatever it is, it is time to unite against a facist cxxt, namely Putin.

What on earth does that mean? Are you accusing countries that are accepting refugees of doing so as some kind of vanity project?? And in the next breath, with no apparent irony, you say it's time to unite against Putin?? How should we do that then? Is enabling refugees' safe passage not one of the very best things we can do??

Unbelievable.

 

[birthofanorange]

Astonishes me that people are debating party politics when we are on the brink of a third world war. I get the strong feeling that people don't realise how incredibly serious this situation is.

Russia has 6200 nuclear warheads, more than the UK (255), France (500) and US (3750) combined.

If push comes to shove, this won't be "good old Tommy's going off to liberate Ukraine", this could be instant and complete annihilation of the entirety of Europe.

More likely the entirety of the world, if it kicks off.

 

[KZNSeagull]

It’s BA - not sure a cyber attack would make much difference to their horrendous customer service.

Yup. Mother in Law currently wandering around Heathrow desperately trying to find a BA employee having landed from South Africa and been texted to say that her connecting flight to Newcastle has been cancelled and to phone a number. Hopeless

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I'm certainly not proud of my country and definitely wouldn't fight for it, its mostly full of selfish w@nkers

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I get your point and the worst people of our nation have some of the loudest mouths.

But there is a lot of the quieter good.

At the end of the day this island would be sealed off and, well, in that case you might as well grab the gun.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

the british conservative and union party are on the kremlin pay roll, it's all related; you're the one point scoring because you don't want your side to be found to be complicit

Oh for goodness sake. We are all on the same side. Make these comments on a different thread if you must.

 

[jcdenton08]

I get your point and the worst people of our nation have some of the loudest mouths.

But there is a lot of the quieter good.

At the end of the day this island would be sealed off and, well, in that case you might as well grab the gun.

If it kicks off nobody will be grabbing anything. A flash of light and instant incineration - if you're lucky. Otherwise a slow, brutal death from radiation poisoning and catastrophic burn trauma.

 

[TomandJerry]

Women in Dnipro have been making Molotov cocktails, using polystyrene and used beer bottles, which they can use against Russian forces.

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[peterward]

You’re right. They would be bloody useless. Luckily though there are plenty of others not in that category. Sky are currently showing people making Molotov cocktails in the streets of Kiev. Even I could do that and would.

I would be shit scared, but I would too. There is honour in fighting for your nation. If a fascist dictator tried to invade Sussex/England youd bet id fight. take 2 before getting shot so be it.

fwiw could the military hand out grenades?. Pull pin and luzz. Anyone could do that from their balconies as long as sure it was the Russians.

 

[Russconha]