You are right - it's important context for this current war.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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It's interesting you should say that.
A while ago, I posted a link by a Georgian author, who observed the same thing, but in Georgia. He was referring to Russians who had moved to Georgia to avoid conscription (therefore it is reasonable to assume they were against the war), and who treated Georgia, a country in which they were guests, like a province of Russia.
I think it shows that most Russians that avoid conscription are actually PRO the war...they just want someone else to fight it for them.
- Nov 11, 2009
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The major issue is, nobody has any objective facts or truth. They dont want to die is probaby a given, pro war?
the whole information space is one big narrative based lie, they dont know reality. Russia is like the Truman show
- Aug 24, 2020
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I confess that hadn't occurred to me. You could be right, at least for some of them.
But my point was more akin to the following: Russians seem to have a superiority complex. One which nobody else shares, instead seeing it as misplaced arrogance.
- Nov 11, 2009
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I know for a fact that is true.
Propaganda plays a big part in that and you can see it manifest in things like their Athletic drugs cheating and victory day parades in which they are told and believe unequivocally that they alone won the second world war and defeated Nazis.
The have to be seen to win at all costs, even if that involves cheating or pure BS
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,009
I would guess ordinary Russians won't be seeing these intercepted calls from desperate Russian soldiers on the front line:
Intercepted calls from the front lines in Ukraine show a growing number of Russian soldiers want out
In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand. They describe 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded, and 500s to describe people who refuse to fight.
apnews.com
portslade seagull
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They seem to be getting plenty of snow at the moment in the South and East
Ukraine war: Fierce row erupts over 2024 election
Some right-wing US politicians want Ukraine to vote as scheduled next year. Ukrainians don't.
www.bbc.co.uk
Reports that Avdiivka maybe soon about to fall to the Russians. An important rail link that may affect Ukrainian supply links.
I thought the Russians were mainly just defending the Ukraine offensive in recent months, which hasn't gained much ground.
Sadly, this war doesn't seem to have an end in sight anytime soon.
I thought the Russians were mainly just defending the Ukraine offensive in recent months, which hasn't gained much ground.
Sadly, this war doesn't seem to have an end in sight anytime soon.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Many Russians think WW2 started in 1941, ignoring their pact with Germany which conveniently enabled them to carve up Poland between them in 1939, slaughtering more innocent civilians along the way.
Would you believe it, another dropped cigarette in a Russian factory…
- Aug 24, 2020
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I believe Russia has poured a lot of troops into that area to try to take Avdiivka - they will have lost a lot too.
fly high
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But they really don't care how many Russian soldiers die to achieve their objective.
- Aug 24, 2020
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An interesting glimpse into Russian logistics.
www.theguardian.com
'The move shows that Russia is so overstretched by the conflict that it is having to accept additional risk to strategically important Kaliningrad, which is bordered on three sides by Nato member states, according to the MoD.'
And on the fourth side, is the Baltic, now effectively a Nato lake. You will recall that Nato was one of the reasons/justifications Putin used to invade Ukraine.
If equipment is being scavenged from Kaliningrad, which in Putin's mind is threatened by Nato , where else might it be happening, or has already happened?
My money would be on the distant regions. Places with a history of neglect. That's a dead cert. Then there are the regions with a history of unrest - those which may have prompted Putin to announce a 40% rise in his internal security budget soon after the war began.
I predict more dropped cigarettes.
Russia-Ukraine war live: Russians scavenge air defence from Kaliningrad, says UK MoD
Intelligence briefing underlines ‘overstretched’ Russian military; grain export routes need better protection from attack, says Volodymyr Zelenskiy
www.theguardian.com
'The move shows that Russia is so overstretched by the conflict that it is having to accept additional risk to strategically important Kaliningrad, which is bordered on three sides by Nato member states, according to the MoD.'
And on the fourth side, is the Baltic, now effectively a Nato lake. You will recall that Nato was one of the reasons/justifications Putin used to invade Ukraine.
If equipment is being scavenged from Kaliningrad, which in Putin's mind is threatened by Nato , where else might it be happening, or has already happened?
My money would be on the distant regions. Places with a history of neglect. That's a dead cert. Then there are the regions with a history of unrest - those which may have prompted Putin to announce a 40% rise in his internal security budget soon after the war began.
I predict more dropped cigarettes.
Hopefully the wives and mothers will find even stronger voices ...following the brief demo in Moscow last week
- Nov 11, 2009
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I'm not sure if this has been posted before or not?
"20 days in Mariupol".
Was in art house cinemas this year, now released on YT. Its a "buy" item if you search directly in YT, though its been uploaded for free by another production company.
It's all about a small team of associated press journalists that were in Mariupol for those first 20 days of Russias attack on the city, nearly all of the pictures and TV news stories we saw in western media were from this brave team.
Wife was in tears obvs, and it also shows contrast of Russia state TV claiming its all staged or Ukraine doing it to themselves.
"20 days in Mariupol".
Was in art house cinemas this year, now released on YT. Its a "buy" item if you search directly in YT, though its been uploaded for free by another production company.
It's all about a small team of associated press journalists that were in Mariupol for those first 20 days of Russias attack on the city, nearly all of the pictures and TV news stories we saw in western media were from this brave team.
Wife was in tears obvs, and it also shows contrast of Russia state TV claiming its all staged or Ukraine doing it to themselves.