Eagle Slayer
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Seems four of the seal hunters have died ...... club em over the head then skin them
Questions remain after deaths of seal hunters
Questions remain after deaths of seal hunters
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Uncle Spielberg
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Thats the best news I have had for ages. Maybe a Hearth Rug or a pair of gloves.
Out of interest Garth, oh great crusader for animal welfare, who do you think will win the Grand National this year?
Uncle Spielberg
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I can honestly say I would with a weapon and confronted by one of them probably pull the trigger, I feel very strongly about this issue so it may be irrational to you but there are people who die that I do not care about, evil people basically and to me these murderers are evil so no tears from me I am afraid.
So you won't mind if I don't share your sadness when a jockey breaks his neck then?
Seals are killed [as they have been by the local population for many. many years] so that their meat can be EATEN and their pelts can be made into clothing.
400 HORSES die each year so that you can have FUN.
400 HORSES die each year so that you can have FUN.
I say 400. Of course that's only the ones who actually die racing.
We won't mention the fact that 16,000 foals are bred by the racing industry each year, of which approximately 10,000 never make it as racers. Lets not ponder where they end up, eh?
We won't mention the fact that 16,000 foals are bred by the racing industry each year, of which approximately 10,000 never make it as racers. Lets not ponder where they end up, eh?
Nemesis
SERIOUSLY!
You can't expect Gareth to be rational about this. Horses simply aren't as cute as seal pups. Also, please bear in mind the fact that Garth doesn't give a toss what happens to a race horse after it's 5 year career ends (as long the scenes from the knackers yard aren't featured in his copy of the Daily Express)
You can't expect Gareth to be rational about this. Horses simply aren't as cute as seal pups. Also, please bear in mind the fact that Garth doesn't give a toss what happens to a race horse after it's 5 year career ends (as long the scenes from the knackers yard aren't featured in his copy of the Daily Express)
I'm not sure if that's true Nemesis. What I do know is that whatever their fate, these fine creatures will not mind. they will just consider themselves honoured to have been involved in such a noble sport.
Mtoto
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Racing is an industry and racehorses are bred and born to race, just as cows are bred and born to be slaughtered for meat. In this country alone, tens of thousands of people depend on racing for their livelihood, and in the rural economy it is one of the most important employers of all.
As with any industry involving animals, there will always be issues of welfare to be addressed, and weighed up against economic and other benefits (which in the case of racing include recreation and simply making people happy). Horses will always die racing, particularly in countries where jumps racing is popular - Britain and Ireland, basically, and France to a lesser extent.
Personally I think that the benefits of racing are considerable, and that racehorses in training are treated better than many family pets (and since they cost upwards of £300 a week in bills, any trainer who doesn't treat them well is not going to last very long). Some are killed, but it's not what anyone is trying to do, it's an accident. An inevitable accident, yes, but an accident all the same, and in Britain I think we do as much, and probably much more, than any other country to keep the accidents to a minimum.
Overproduction of foals is another matter, and something that the Irish in particular need to address, but what Animal Aid don't tell you is that British and Irish-bred horses are in huge demand all over the world, and Tattersalls alone sells them to many dozens of countries. Only last week I met someone from the Serbian racing industry who was telling me how sought-after our foals are . I've been in racing for nearly 20 years, and had no idea there *was* a Serbian racing industry.
To return to the point, though, US is caught in a bit of a bind here because he is not talking about this in terms of animal welfare, but also in terms of animal rights, which is an almost entirely separate argument.
Earlier in the thread he said that "Humans are responsible for their own actions, Animals have no control over mankinds murdering of their own kind". This is a classic "rights" position, and applies equally well to racehorses, who cannot be asked if they want to jump 30 fences and race for four and a half miles.
As with any industry involving animals, there will always be issues of welfare to be addressed, and weighed up against economic and other benefits (which in the case of racing include recreation and simply making people happy). Horses will always die racing, particularly in countries where jumps racing is popular - Britain and Ireland, basically, and France to a lesser extent.
Personally I think that the benefits of racing are considerable, and that racehorses in training are treated better than many family pets (and since they cost upwards of £300 a week in bills, any trainer who doesn't treat them well is not going to last very long). Some are killed, but it's not what anyone is trying to do, it's an accident. An inevitable accident, yes, but an accident all the same, and in Britain I think we do as much, and probably much more, than any other country to keep the accidents to a minimum.
Overproduction of foals is another matter, and something that the Irish in particular need to address, but what Animal Aid don't tell you is that British and Irish-bred horses are in huge demand all over the world, and Tattersalls alone sells them to many dozens of countries. Only last week I met someone from the Serbian racing industry who was telling me how sought-after our foals are . I've been in racing for nearly 20 years, and had no idea there *was* a Serbian racing industry.
To return to the point, though, US is caught in a bit of a bind here because he is not talking about this in terms of animal welfare, but also in terms of animal rights, which is an almost entirely separate argument.
Earlier in the thread he said that "Humans are responsible for their own actions, Animals have no control over mankinds murdering of their own kind". This is a classic "rights" position, and applies equally well to racehorses, who cannot be asked if they want to jump 30 fences and race for four and a half miles.
Uncle Spielberg
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Is that a fact or emotional propagaganda.
Are you going to completely ignore every post in this thread, which demands a difficult answer, US?
An no, that wasn't 'emotional propagaganda', whatever that is.
I'm 100% with mtoto on this. I find it VERY odd indeed that somebody can get so uptight about the fate of dumb animals, and so flippant about the deaths of four family men while carrying out their legal, traditional livelihood.
I'm 100% with mtoto on this. I find it VERY odd indeed that somebody can get so uptight about the fate of dumb animals, and so flippant about the deaths of four family men while carrying out their legal, traditional livelihood.
Moshe Gariani
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it does seem that way, doesn't it...
Uncle Spielberg
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Hans
It is not a legal livelihood as far as I am concerned and you are assumption they are all family men has been thrown that into the mix for emotional effect. If there was a report saying 4 Mugabe henchmen killed when car crashed on the way to slaughter 100 men , women and children would you then think I was wrong to not shed a tear at their death. I hold the rights of these Seals in the same way simplistic I know but its how I feel.
Kinds regards and respect for your views.
US