Rio has a pop at Ashley Cole

[BigGully]

Yes, terms such as 'n----- lover' were once used against white people seen as disloyal to their race.

Wow, you moving generations now, but you seem to be confirming that it IS a racist comment .....

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That was clearly a compliment and used in a positive way.

Choc-ice clearly doesnt ..

It was a mischievous comment from Alex James; not a compliment in my opinion.

 

[BigGully]

It was a mischievous comment from Alex James; not a compliment in my opinion.

it might not have meant to be a compliment to Albarn by the Alex James, but the reference to the 'black' part was that he couldn't really deliver on that aspiration.

Totally totally different .....

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Wow, you moving generations now, but you seem to be confirming that it IS a racist comment .....

Not at all. How it occurs to me is that 'N----- lover' is using the term 'n-----' in a pejorative way, whereas 'choc ice' (while it shares the meaning of being disloyal to one's race) does not automatically attach a negative meaning to simply being white.

 

[El Sid]

Not at all. How it occurs to me is that 'N----- lover' is using the term 'n-----' in a pejorative way, whereas 'choc ice' (while it shares the meaning of being disloyal to one's race) does not automatically attach a negative meaning to simply being white.

I'm sure the moron took all this into consideration before writing the text..................

 

[BigGully]

Not at all. How it occurs to me is that 'N----- lover' is using the term 'n-----' in a pejorative way, whereas 'choc ice' (while it shares the meaning of being disloyal to one's race) does not automatically attach a negative meaning to simply being white.

The starting point is that it is used as an insult to the recipient, its the white bit that drives the comment ...

 

[Acker79]

So you accept the comment was racist, and you acknowledge Rio found the racism funny and posted on a public board the racist part that was funny. That itself is racist. I could post racist joke examples, but that's probably not best.

I don't disagree with that, just that it was not rio having a pop at ashley cole.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

The starting point is that it is used as an insult to the recipient, its the white bit that drives the comment ...

I'd actually say it's the sellout aspect that he focuses on, as shown in the next sentence.

 

[pauli cee]

Are you choosing not to understand?

sorry, but i don't see it as he is 'as bad as a white man', rather that he is (possibly/supposedly) ignoring a (possible/alleged) racist comment to stick up for a mate. for me i just don't see it as a racist term.
i have often been called a 'wigger' in the past, because i spent a fair bit of time in africa and listen to reggae. i can't say i found that to be racist....

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

sorry, but i don't see it as he is 'as bad as a white man', rather that he is (possibly/supposedly) ignoring a (possible/alleged) racist comment to stick up for a mate. for me i just don't see it as a racist term.
i have often been called a 'wigger' in the past, because i spent a fair bit of time in africa and listen to reggae. i can't say i found that to be racist....

Agreed. Likewise, British-born Chinese people such as me are occasionally called 'bananas' by the older generations because we're very much Westernised in our ways. It's not meant as an attack on Western culture as such, but on second and third generation immigrant Chinese people in, say, this country not maintaining much of an allegiance with China.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm not aware of a reverse term but plenty of white people have been described as black. I remember Alex James once said Damon Albarn is the blackest white man in Notting Hill which is similar. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

I assume that was a complement about Damon, so it's not at all similar is it.

Yes, terms such as 'n----- lover' were once used against white people seen as disloyal to their race. If you oppose segregation and the KKK in America, you'd probably be accused of being a n------ lover.

And that would be racist.

 

[MACROBLUE]

Not as stupid as those of us (myself included) who have just received a letter from Sky containing a price rise due to the increase in cost of football rights.......and who do nothing about it. Now £630 a year to allow players such as Terry and WGT to be paid £140,000 a week each.

Stopped my Sky three weeks ago, its just getting out of hand. I'll just have to get used to highlights from now on.

 

[Triggaaar]

Not at all. How it occurs to me is that 'N----- lover' is using the term 'n-----' in a pejorative way, whereas 'choc ice' (while it shares the meaning of being disloyal to one's race) does not automatically attach a negative meaning to simply being white.

So change the N word for black. A white man marries a black girl, and people that don't like it call him a black lover. That's racist. If people called her a white lover (or vanilla ice cream lover), that would be racist. Of course the use in this case of choc ice attaches negative meaning to being white, it creates an 'us and them' divide.

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't disagree with that, just that it was not rio having a pop at ashley cole.

Understood. Not that it's a pop at Ashley that's the problem, presumably if he didn't agree with the description, he wouldn't have posted his laughter at repeated the comment.

 

[severnside gull]

I clearly live in a different world to those among us who are perhaps more used to trading insults in the leafy lanes of Sussex but up here on the mean streets of Birmingham for one black man to call another choc ice or coconut is going to start a serious fight. Insults don't come much worse unless you choose to call his mother a ho. By joining in the joke (which he certainly didn't need to - it wasn't addressed to him in any way) Ferdinand was directly and deliberately insulting Cole.

 

[rocker959]

This pathetic handbags is going to drag on now. What a bore.

Agreed matey.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I'm not aware of a reverse term but plenty of white people have been described as black.

The popular term is "wigger"

 

[Triggaaar]

i don't see it as he is 'as bad as a white man', rather that he is (possibly/supposedly) ignoring a (possible/alleged) racist comment to stick up for a mate.

If that's what he thought, he should simply say 'it's bollox that Ashley is sticking up for Terry, wot Terry done is bang out of order and Ashley's an arse licking twat'. No need to bring race into that part of the argument.

for me i just don't see it as a racist term. i have often been called a 'wigger' in the past, because i spent a fair bit of time in africa and listen to reggae. i can't say i found that to be racist....

I understand if it was used in a positive way, but if it was used as a slur against you, then it was racist. Perhaps you're not easily offended by racist remarks?

Agreed. Likewise, British-born Chinese people such as me are occasionally called 'bananas' by the older generations because we're very much Westernised in our ways. It's not meant as an attack on Western culture as such, but on second and third generation immigrant Chinese people in, say, this country not maintaining much of an allegiance with China.

Ok, but that's got nothing to do with Rio & pal's remarks.

 

[Triggaaar]

Go onto urban dictionary and look up choc ice

 

[Acker79]

I clearly live in a different world to those among us who are perhaps more used to trading insults in the leafy lanes of Sussex but up here on the mean streets of Birmingham for one black man to call another choc ice or coconut is going to start a serious fight. Insults don't come much worse unless you choose to call his mother a ho. By joining in the joke (which he certainly didn't need to - it wasn't addressed to him in any way) Ferdinand was directly and deliberately insulting Cole.

The tweet from carltonEbanks was directed to Rio.