[Politics] Reintroducing the death penalty

[Wardy's twin]

...is the word on the street anyways. Apparently Priti Patel, spawn of Satan (who we know is very big supporter of capital punishment), is rather keen on reintroducing it.
https://twitter.com/BameFor/status/1342495556732649478?s=20

Just when you thought this current government couldn't scrape the depths of evil and depravity any further, they come along with this. There's not many things that would genuinely make me consider leaving the country and moving elsewhere, but this is one of them. Would be interested for NSC's thought's on this. Meanwhile, here's the magnificent Ian Hislop absolutely rinsing Patel on this very subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DrsVhzbLzU

Absolutely awful woman, and an absolutely callous, vile politician, which is very on-brand for this government

if 50.1% vote for it then its clearly the right and good thing to do and any innocent people hung are just acceptable collateral damage...

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

But it's such a good deterent. Just look at the US, there's no murders there anymore.

Definitely a good deterrent. I also heard there was no crime in the dark ages where the death penalty wasn’t some measly injection but full on being hung, drawn and quartered after some mild torture.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

...is the word on the street anyways. Apparently Priti Patel, spawn of Satan (who we know is very big supporter of capital punishment), is rather keen on reintroducing it.
https://twitter.com/BameFor/status/1342495556732649478?s=20

Just when you thought this current government couldn't scrape the depths of evil and depravity any further, they come along with this. There's not many things that would genuinely make me consider leaving the country and moving elsewhere, but this is one of them. Would be interested for NSC's thought's on this. Meanwhile, here's the magnificent Ian Hislop absolutely rinsing Patel on this very subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DrsVhzbLzU

Absolutely awful woman, and an absolutely callous, vile politician, which is very on-brand for this government

No, Mark of an uncivilized society.
Shame I had to wade through the bile of your post though.

 

[Eeyore]

Not in my name. It is murder on behalf of 'the people'.

There is a dud argument that it saves costs on imprisonment. Sutcliffe being the example. Apparently it cost £83,000 a year to keep him locked up. That's about £2.5m for the entire term.

The appeals process against a capital sentence would probably cost more than that.

It also divides according to wealth. A person who could afford the top lawyers would stand a better chance.

It is state sponsored murder, and the beginning of a slippery slope.

No going back.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Of course not. It's about having the correct balance.

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How many miscarriages of justice and the hanging of an innocent person is the core that balance ?


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[TomandJerry]

How many miscarriages of justice and the hanging of an innocent person is the core that balance ?


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The balance you quoted me on was about human rights. Not about miscarriages of justice.

I don't have the numbers about that directly to look at

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[Hugo Rune]

Definitely a good deterrent. I also heard there was no crime in the dark ages where the death penalty wasn’t some measly injection but full on being hung, drawn and quartered after some mild torture.

Yes. They only had to cut off a single thief’s hands once and there was no theft for a couple of century’s on this Island. The criminal mind’s ability to understand punishment and consequence never fails to astound me. Murder will be a thing of the past if Priti has her way.

 

[Doonhamer7]

This is scary, don’t think it would ever happen in this country (European Court of Human Rights does have benefits) but who would ever have seen Corbin as leader of labour, brexit or trump or the fall of the red wall. It doesn’t take much for the Daily Mail / Express and Sun to whip this up. Of course it will start with ‘only terrorists’ or ‘only paedophiles’ or ‘only against the queen’ after sum event and then it will slowly be extended to police and prison officers and so on...

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

The balance you quoted me on was about human rights. Not about miscarriages of justice.

I don't have the numbers about that directly to look at

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So how many miscarriages of justice would be acceptable to you because unfortunately no judicial system is infallible?


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[TomandJerry]

So how many miscarriages of justice would be acceptable to you because unfortunately no judicial system is infallible?


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I feel with modern DNA and forensic evidence, CCTV and such, that to be given the death sentence certain things must be met.

Cast iron proof being a start.



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[Thunder Bolt]

Definitely a good deterrent. I also heard there was no crime in the dark ages where the death penalty wasn’t some measly injection but full on being hung, drawn and quartered after some mild torture.

It is not a deterrent. The murder rate in states with the death penalty is as high, if not higher than states without.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I have absolutely no problem reintroducing the death penalty.
With DNA you are sure to get the right person.
The electric chair would be my preference.
But as she is such a fan, I would insist that Priti Patel went first to check its all OK.
Forget to wet the sponge and watch her fry, live on TV.
After it has gone so wrong the decision is made that this barbaric punishment is after all no longer goung to go ahead.
Meanwhile Patels charcoaled body is wheeled out and she is thrown into the sewers with all the other stinking turds.

 

[Chicken Run]

I have absolutely no problem reintroducing the death penalty.
With DNA you are sure to get the right person.
The electric chair would be my preference.
But as she is such a fan, I would insist that Priti Patel went first to check its all OK.
Forget to wet the sponge and watch her fry, live on TV.
After it has gone so wrong the decision is made that this barbaric punishment is after all no longer goung to go ahead.
Meanwhile Patels charcoaled body is wheeled out and she is thrown into the sewers with all the other stinking turds.

Don’t hold back Popeye [emoji23]

 

[Steve Foster]

Bear Pit

 

[Fungus]

I have absolutely no problem reintroducing the death penalty.
With DNA you are sure to get the right person.
The electric chair would be my preference.
But as she is such a fan, I would insist that Priti Patel went first to check its all OK.
Forget to wet the sponge and watch her fry, live on TV.
After it has gone so wrong the decision is made that this barbaric punishment is after all no longer goung to go ahead.
Meanwhile Patels charcoaled body is wheeled out and she is thrown into the sewers with all the other stinking turds.

Not necessarily. DNA can be planted, and even if you connect the right person to a crime scene it wouldn't prove what actually happened, when it happened, or that they acted alone. It's only one part of the jig-saw.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I feel with modern DNA and forensic evidence, CCTV and such, that to be given the death sentence certain things must be met.

Cast iron proof being a start.



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I have absolutely no problem reintroducing the death penalty.
With DNA you are sure to get the right person.
The electric chair would be my preference.
But as she is such a fan, I would insist that Priti Patel went first to check its all OK.
Forget to wet the sponge and watch her fry, live on TV.
After it has gone so wrong the decision is made that this barbaric punishment is after all no longer goung to go ahead.
Meanwhile Patels charcoaled body is wheeled out and she is thrown into the sewers with all the other stinking turds.

Ha ha ha ha ha - how naive ... police mistakes and corruption ?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

It is not a deterrent. The murder rate in states with the death penalty is as high, if not higher than states without.

I know. I was being sarcastic. The point being that even if horrific torture and ways of execution weren’t enough to deter crime in the middle ages... well, you get the gist.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I feel with modern DNA and forensic evidence, CCTV and such, that to be given the death sentence certain things must be met.

Cast iron proof being a start.



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Sadly I think you are being very naive. They have already been cases of dna being planted in the us.


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[lawros left foot]

The problem with the death penalty as a deterrent theory, is how many criminals commit a crime that they think they will be caught for?

 

[Lower West Stander]

I simply cannot see this ever happening.

There simply aren’t enough nutty right wingers in the Tory Party to get it through as everyone else would vote against in a three line whip. Even though there has been a fairly unpleasant shift to the right under Boris, public opinion just wouldn’t except this.

It would also be a bigger vote loser than just about anything else I could think of.

Except if it was Dominic Cummings or Rees-Mogg obviously...


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