Racism on the rise in Britain

[Buzzer]

It's important to remember that in times of hardship people are always drawn towards xenophobia, it is simply human nature to blame the "outsider" for domestic problems. This was seen in ancient times, but more recently the Japanese in China, the Armenians in Turkey, The East Indians in Uganda, the Muslims in India - and so on.

UKIP voters ARE xenophobic, opposing immigration is xenophobic by definition. An outbreak of nationalism was an inevitable outcome of economic recession, as we can observe all over Europe, not just in the UK.

However the reason that UKIP and all other far-right parties will always be a joke is because they don't attempt to address the real problems, such as growing social and economic inequality. Immigration isn't the problem, it's barely even a problem - but it does highlight the actual problems, it's just convenient for the main parties and the ruling classes that so many people choose to ignore them, and instead blame other people simply for being from other place.

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense and your analogies are terrible too. Asians weren't kicked out of Uganda when times were tough for the country. Idi Amin had only been in office a year when he threw them out the country. And it was just one man. The other Ugandans didn't have a say in the matter, I'm not sure how you attribute xenophobia to them. And I'm astounded, given your username that you attribute the Armenian pogrom to Turkish 'hardship'. It was purely political fought on religious lines. And you only need to look at recent Greece Euro Elections to see that people in hardship don't necessarily veer to the far-right. It's not true that nationalism is inevitable.

What is a joke is you referring to a party that won most seats in the recent Euro Elections as a joke. You referring to all UKIP supporters as xenophobic. You failing to understand that people are voting for UKIP because the politicians are not addressing the real problems - not the problems you and the politicians want these people to focus on.

I'd say that most UKIP voters (I'm not one myself) are pro-British and when times are tough they want our taxes spent on dealing with the many problems we already have. Being pro-British is not the same as being anti-foreigner.

You're wrong on ALL counts.

 

[keaton]

What is a joke is you referring to a party that won most seats in the recent Euro Elections as a joke. You referring to all UKIP supporters as xenophobic. You failing to understand that people are voting for UKIP because the politicians are not addressing the real problems - not the problems you and the politicians want these people to focus on.

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What are the real problems as you percieve them?

 

[Buzzer]

What are the real problems as you percieve them?

A new keeper, a left back. A manager would be nice too.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It's important to remember that in times of hardship people are always drawn towards xenophobia, it is simply human nature to blame the "outsider" for domestic problems. This was seen in ancient times, but more recently the Japanese in China, the Armenians in Turkey, The East Indians in Uganda, the Muslims in India - and so on.

UKIP voters ARE xenophobic, opposing immigration is xenophobic by definition. An outbreak of nationalism was an inevitable outcome of economic recession, as we can observe all over Europe, not just in the UK.

However the reason that UKIP and all other far-right parties will always be a joke is because they don't attempt to address the real problems, such as growing social and economic inequality. Immigration isn't the problem, it's barely even a problem - but it does highlight the actual problems, it's just convenient for the main parties and the ruling classes that so many people choose to ignore them, and instead blame other people simply for being from other place.

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense and your analogies are terrible too. Asians weren't kicked out of Uganda when times were tough for the country. Idi Amin had only been in office a year when he threw them out the country. And it was just one man. The other Ugandans didn't have a say in the matter, I'm not sure how you attribute xenophobia to them. And I'm astounded, given your username that you attribute the Armenian pogrom to Turkish 'hardship'. It was purely political fought on religious lines. And you only need to look at recent Greece Euro Elections to see that people in hardship don't necessarily veer to the far-right. It's not true that nationalism is inevitable.

What is a joke is you referring to a party that won most seats in the recent Euro Elections as a joke. You referring to all UKIP supporters as xenophobic. You failing to understand that people are voting for UKIP because the politicians are not addressing the real problems - not the problems you and the politicians want these people to focus on.

I'd say that most UKIP voters (I'm not one myself) are pro-British and when times are tough they want our taxes spent on dealing with the many problems we already have. Being pro-British is not the same as being anti-foreigner.

You're wrong on ALL counts.

To which I'd add the Chinese / Japanese thing is also a weird and inaccurate analogy. The Japanese and Chinese have been rivals for many centuries, not unlike say us and the French or, more recently, us and the Germans. Most recently the Japanese behaved appallingly when they invaded China and Taiwan during the second world war. There is a traditional rivalry there akin to the most bitter of football rivalries with the added spice that a Japanese might well have murdered an ancestor (who the Chinese venerate) in cold blood.

You could only accurately use China as an analogy if thousands of Koreans, Vietnamese or Fillipinos were pouring in and undercutting Chinese labour.

 

[keaton]

A new keeper, a left back. A manager would be nice too.

And if UKIP had any power they'd be British and shit.

 

[Nibble]

What are the real problems as you percieve them?

Buzzer doesn't offer opinions he just bobs about, policing other people's posts like a wannabe mod.

 

[Buzzer]

Buzzer doesn't offer opinions he just bobs about, policing other people's posts like a wannabe mod.

Bobs about? Policing posts? I've just gone through Mustafa's post line by line and explained why I think his post was nonsense. I think you're just pissed off that you got in early to agree with him and are now regretting it.

 

[Nibble]

Bobs about? Policing posts? I've just gone through Mustafa's post line by line and explained why I think his post was nonsense. I think you're just pissed off that you got in early to agree with him and are now regretting it.

Yeah mate, that'll be it.

 

[Bakero]

To which I'd add the Chinese / Japanese thing is also a weird and inaccurate analogy. The Japanese and Chinese have been rivals for many centuries, not unlike say us and the French or, more recently, us and the Germans. Most recently the Japanese behaved appallingly when they invaded China and Taiwan during the second world war. There is a traditional rivalry there akin to the most bitter of football rivalries with the added spice that a Japanese might well have murdered an ancestor (who the Chinese venerate) in cold blood.

You could only accurately use China as an analogy if thousands of Koreans, Vietnamese or Fillipinos were pouring in and undercutting Chinese labour.

The Chinese and the Vietnamese, as well as the Chinese and the Koreans, have a little history too.

 

[Baldseagull]

It's important to remember that in times of hardship people are always drawn towards xenophobia, it is simply human nature to blame the "outsider" for domestic problems. This was seen in ancient times, but more recently the Japanese in China, the Armenians in Turkey, The East Indians in Uganda, the Muslims in India - and so on.

UKIP voters ARE xenophobic, opposing immigration is xenophobic by definition. An outbreak of nationalism was an inevitable outcome of economic recession, as we can observe all over Europe, not just in the UK.

However the reason that UKIP and all other far-right parties will always be a joke is because they don't attempt to address the real problems, such as growing social and economic inequality. Immigration isn't the problem, it's barely even a problem - but it does highlight the actual problems, it's just convenient for the main parties and the ruling classes that so many people choose to ignore them, and instead blame other people simply for being from other place.

No, I blame the insiders for letting the outsider in, not the outsider for coming in. I am not xenophobic, maybe a bit claustrophobic. It is a matter of numbers more than anything else.
Yes, things change in a recession, immigration is beneficial when there are jobs to be filled, it isn't when there are not, that is not blaming the foreigner, it is common sense
Uncontrolled immigration is a problem, explain how adding 200,000 people into an environment is a benefit, where there is a housing shortage, a job shortage, shortage of school places, overcrowding on public transport, homelessness problems, pressure on the NHS and full prisons?

 

[SK1NT]

Can someone please tell me ONE current EU rule you would change should we leave the EU?

Anyone?

Just to throw in the Mix... BNP voters went down by 7% UKIP up... Now this correlation could be addressed for labour, and conservative however Nigel Farage has had meetings, lunches etc with prominent BNP figures..

 

[joeywortho]

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense and your analogies are terrible too. Asians weren't kicked out of Uganda when times were tough for the country. Idi Amin had only been in office a year when he threw them out the country. And it was just one man. The other Ugandans didn't have a say in the matter, I'm not sure how you attribute xenophobia to them. And I'm astounded, given your username that you attribute the Armenian pogrom to Turkish 'hardship'. It was purely political fought on religious lines. And you only need to look at recent Greece Euro Elections to see that people in hardship don't necessarily veer to the far-right. It's not true that nationalism is inevitable.

What is a joke is you referring to a party that won most seats in the recent Euro Elections as a joke. You referring to all UKIP supporters as xenophobic. You failing to understand that people are voting for UKIP because the politicians are not addressing the real problems - not the problems you and the politicians want these people to focus on.

I'd say that most UKIP voters (I'm not one myself) are pro-British and when times are tough they want our taxes spent on dealing with the many problems we already have. Being pro-British is not the same as being anti-foreigner.

You're wrong on ALL counts.

I mean what does this even mean? Its a total nonsense, what British person would not be pro-british although its just a stupid thing to say. And fully agree with the point made about so many UKIP voters not having the balls to admit what they think. Got much more time for the person who admits he/she votes for them because they think we are 'full up' or whatever than the person who makes arch comments about 'shaking things up' or 'showing those politicians what for'

 

[Buzzer]

I mean what does this even mean? Its a total nonsense, what British person would not be pro-british although its just a stupid thing to say. And fully agree with the point made about so many UKIP voters not having the balls to admit what they think. Got much more time for the person who admits he/she votes for them because they think we are 'full up' or whatever than the person who makes arch comments about 'shaking things up' or 'showing those politicians what for'

It's not a nonsense at all. Mustafa said that UKIP supporters are xenophobic i.e. anti-foreigner. I said that they're just pro-British and that doesn't imply that someone is anti-foreigner. What do I mean by pro-British? Well, I spelt it out quite clearly in the bit straight after that, that you didn't highlight.

 

[joeywortho]

right so being pro british means spending money on the problems we have yes? all depends on what you think the problems are doesnt it? I would imagine what I think are the biggest problems would not be the same as a kipper

 

[Buzzer]

I would imagine what I think are the biggest problems would not be the same as a kipper

Yeah. I think we kind of got that bit.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

No, I blame the insiders for letting the outsider in, not the outsider for coming in. I am not xenophobic, maybe a bit claustrophobic. It is a matter of numbers more than anything else.
Yes, things change in a recession, immigration is beneficial when there are jobs to be filled, it isn't when there are not, that is not blaming the foreigner, it is common sense
Uncontrolled immigration is a problem, explain how adding 200,000 people into an environment is a benefit, where there is a housing shortage, a job shortage, shortage of school places, overcrowding on public transport, homelessness problems, pressure on the NHS and full prisons?

No point trying to explain to people. They can't see it, don't want to see it. We are now the number one destination for workers from around the world, and we are the number one safehouse for peoples political, cultural and religious problems, where anybody and everybody will do what they can to get over here and stay here. That's fine if we had the space, but we don't

 

[Bakero]

We are now the number one destination for workers from around the world, and we are the number one safehouse for peoples political, cultural and religious problems, where anybody and everybody will do what they can to get over here and stay here.

That's just not true. Where do you get this stuff from?

 

[Bakero]

No point trying to explain to people. They can't see it, don't want to see it. We are now the number one destination for workers from around the world, and we are the number one safehouse for peoples political, cultural and religious problems, where anybody and everybody will do what they can to get over here and stay here. That's fine if we had the space, but we don't

Immigration stats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

Refugee/Asylum stats:

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG/countries

http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/asylum/

 

[Soulman]

So let us look at Tower Hamlets, re the election, or have we given up on this area, a touch of racism here....surely not. The place where it took 5 days to count the vote.
Local Conservative and Labour politicians claimed to have witnessed heavy-handed tactics and intimidation at polling stations in the borough, which had still not declared all of its local election results this evening, a full five days after votes were cast.

Crowds of supporters from the local Tower Hamlets First party were shouting at voters and leaving leaflets inside polling booths, in the culmination of what he described as a “vicious dirty tricks campaign”

There were four Bangladeshi men outside my polling station, all from Tower Hamlets First, and as you walked in there 11 people inside the polling station and they would pounce on you with a fake polling card in your face, calling on your to vote for Mr Rahman.”

Defeated Labour mayoral challenger John Biggs told the Independent the campaign in the area had been “asymmetric warfare” fought in a “culture of intimidation” and that the major parties had faced challengers who were “not particularly democratic”.

Lutfur Rahman, the extremist-linked mayor of Tower Hamlets, narrowly won re-election last night – by 52 per cent to 48 after second preferences – with the help of a repertoire of tactics for which the borough has become notorious.

Promises of a police presence at every polling station were not kept, at least for the whole of the day, and even where police were present they were often ineffectual. Large and intimidating groups of Rahman supporters picketed the entrances to many polling stations, remonstrating with some voters who refused to take Rahman leaflets. Other non-Rahman voters may well have decided not to run the gauntlet.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...tfur-rahman-an-election-labour-chose-to-lose/

Lutfur Rahman adviser: "there will be street violence unless people stop complaining about Tower Hamlets election .
We saw Lutfur Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the count on Friday, when a huge group of 2,000 Rahman supporters gathered outside the count centre, effectively barricading Rahman’s opponents inside.

As the count dragged endlessly on late into the night, Labour’s London campaign director, Sadiq Khan MP, and many others were told by police that they could not leave the building. The returning officer pleaded with those inside not to pass count details to the crowd for fear of them invading the premises".
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...top-complaining-about-tower-hamlets-election/

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So let us look at Tower Hamlets, re the election, or have we given up on this area, a touch of racism here....surely not. The place where it took 5 days to count the vote.
Local Conservative and Labour politicians claimed to have witnessed heavy-handed tactics and intimidation at polling stations in the borough, which had still not declared all of its local election results this evening, a full five days after votes were cast.

Crowds of supporters from the local Tower Hamlets First party were shouting at voters and leaving leaflets inside polling booths, in the culmination of what he described as a “vicious dirty tricks campaign”

There were four Bangladeshi men outside my polling station, all from Tower Hamlets First, and as you walked in there 11 people inside the polling station and they would pounce on you with a fake polling card in your face, calling on your to vote for Mr Rahman.”

Defeated Labour mayoral challenger John Biggs told the Independent the campaign in the area had been “asymmetric warfare” fought in a “culture of intimidation” and that the major parties had faced challengers who were “not particularly democratic”.

Lutfur Rahman, the extremist-linked mayor of Tower Hamlets, narrowly won re-election last night – by 52 per cent to 48 after second preferences – with the help of a repertoire of tactics for which the borough has become notorious.

Promises of a police presence at every polling station were not kept, at least for the whole of the day, and even where police were present they were often ineffectual. Large and intimidating groups of Rahman supporters picketed the entrances to many polling stations, remonstrating with some voters who refused to take Rahman leaflets. Other non-Rahman voters may well have decided not to run the gauntlet.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...tfur-rahman-an-election-labour-chose-to-lose/

Lutfur Rahman adviser: "there will be street violence unless people stop complaining about Tower Hamlets election .
We saw Lutfur Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the count on Friday, when a huge group of 2,000 Rahman supporters gathered outside the count centre, effectively barricading Rahman’s opponents inside.

As the count dragged endlessly on late into the night, Labour’s London campaign director, Sadiq Khan MP, and many others were told by police that they could not leave the building. The returning officer pleaded with those inside not to pass count details to the crowd for fear of them invading the premises".
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...top-complaining-about-tower-hamlets-election/

multicultural Britain at it's best, that's disturbing to read, can't imagine that sort of thing happening in LEAFY SUSSEX can you
regards
DR