Racism in Australia

[Dick Knights Mumm]

.. in fact the more you read about it - the more the problem seems to be one of ignorance.

 

[Dave the OAP]

this reminds me of a story my grandma used to tell me.

When she was still alive, she lived in dewsbury, west Yorks.

Anyway, the area was a mixture of white and pakistani families who lived in perfect harmony. At the time of the Balkans war, the western powers decided to move some of the families out of Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia and into England....the majority of these were muslims who had suffered horribly under the serbs.

These people were "settled" in dewsbury ( and other places) and due to the nature of the people who had witnessed horrible scenes, they immediatly began imposing themselves on the locals, with terrible consequences. the area became no-go areas. Territory was fought over and families were forced out of areas.

this is the side of England that is rarely reported.

 

[sydney]

it is quite easy once you have a bit of experience to distinguish between egyptians , white muslims and lebanese............hotel owners have a duty of care to thier patrons and are liable for legal action if people are injured on thier premises, they can therefore decide who get's in and who don't...!!

 

[Row Z Creased Shirt]

The problem as I see it is that when a member or members of a particular group step out of line, that behaviour is then extrapolated by a rival group over the whole of that group and is then used as an excuse to indulge in their deep seated hostility and bigotry.

There is never any perspective in these matters, rather than using the law to target individuals who have broken the law or behaved badly it just seems the easy thing to do to blame an entire group.

This then leads to further incidents and reprisals and an escalation of hostilities. It's all so bloody pointless. People should grow up and accept that people are different, and stop being so bloody territorial about everything.

If somebody's behaviour is wrong, then it should be dealt with in a civilised manner, and if required the use of law, not some self serving macho-revenge bullcrap designed to make some small minded prats feel big.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

wise words from the back of the bus.

 

[London Irish]

london irish , the point of my daughters all having blone hair and blue eyes is that such young ladies are regarded as a priority in some circles

You bet mate

Ever seen the film "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" - that's you in fifteen years

The biggest disappointment of your life, I predict right now, will be your daughters won't turn out to be as big a racist as you

 

[London Irish]

you miss my point mate...

where a certain group in society have a prejudice against the female population ( that makes up over half the entire population) then that is going to cause a problem at some time, as witnessed by the people at our local school.

This is not a local issue, this is a cultural issue and one that is acceptable on religious grounds. I am not only talking about Muslims, I am also talking about orthodox Jews who also believe in the subjegation of women. religous leaders openly encourage this "separation" and there have been reports in Australia that one of the issues that these guys had was the way "their women" were treated by these specifically "arab" people.

But was it really all that long ago that most blokes from Huddersfield had those attitudes about women. Things changed then, and quickly.

I'm far more optmistic than you that the 2G English Muslim women will assert their rights and their indepedence and such backward attitudes you describe (which I don't doubt exist) will be overcome.

I was brought up in a school where 93 per cent of the kids were immigrants. There was no racism in my school or in the part of London I grew up in. Other social problems, sure, but not inter-ethnic conflict. That experience has always left me with a very positive view of race relations and the ability of difference cultures to get along.

The events in Australia remind me a lot of the Notting Hill riots of long ago, grotesque provocation by the host white community stirred up by known Nazi/far right elements, and then a huge backlash by the immigrant community under attack. Everyone can now finger point and blame everyone else, but the reality is that the modern Australia is a multi-ethnic country and as years go by will become more so. The racists have no where to go - the ethnics will soon be arriving in Perth too no doubt if they are not already there

 

[Dave the OAP]

But was it really all that long ago that most blokes from Huddersfield had those attitudes about women. Things changed then, and quickly.

what is that supposed to mean?

 

[London Irish]

what is that supposed to mean?

I'm just asking you to think back to the attitutes towards women of previous generations.

Enlightenment in social attitudes is a process that every community has gone through or is now going through.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The racists have no where to go - the ethnics will soon be arriving in Perth too no doubt if they are not already there

They are already there - and they have egg on their door ....................

 

[Dave the OAP]

I'm just asking you to think back to the attitutes towards women of previous generations.

Enlightenment in social attitudes is a process that every community has gone through or is now going through.

how old do you think I fecking well am?

I have never experienced in my family anti women feelings....apart from the odd dinner disaster ( my mother really cant cook..LOL)

 

[London Irish]

Edit - double post

 

[London Irish]

how old do you think I fecking well am?

I have never experienced in my family anti women feelings....apart from the odd dinner disaster ( my mother really cant cook..LOL)

Well, if you come from a family of liberal views, then lucky you.

But it is only in recent generations that women's roles have been redefined for the better.

It's a point humourously made, especially about your part of the world, by Soccer AM and their "Yorkshire News" spoof, yeah?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Well, if you come from a family of liberal views, then lucky you.

But it is only in recent generations that women's roles have been redefined for the better.

It's a point humourously made, especially about your part of the world, by Soccer AM and their "Yorkshire News" spoof, yeah?

Yes that is very good..."I'll sitheeeee"


i think it may have come from my nan on my fathers side who was a Belfast born loyalist somewhere to the right of Ian paisley and she wouldn't let my Grandad get away with anything!!!! ( and she had three sisters and two Brothers all very scary)

 

[Arthur]

The biggest disappointment of your life, I predict right now, will be your daughters won't turn out to be as big a racist as you

I may be missing something here but why is he a racist??

I've read all of this thread and all the chap has done is given a first hand account of what is going on in Oz.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I may be missing something here but why is he a racist??

I've read all of this thread and all the chap has done is given a first hand account of what is going on in Oz.

No he hasn't. The Sydney Morning Herald has given a variety of first hand accounts of what is going on in Oz. Plus analysis. Y'know, interviewing all sides of the situation. Two sides to every story and all that.

Geezer on here has been airing his VIEWS on 'Lebos' taking over, mainly cos in his view they arrived in the country about ten years after he did and in his VIEW started taking over. Or some such racist f***ing gibberish.

 

[Dave the OAP]

No he hasn't. The Sydney Morning Herald has given a variety of first hand accounts of what is going on in Oz. Plus analysis. Y'know, interviewing all sides of the situation.

Geezer on here has been airing his VIEWS on Lebos taking over, mainly cos in his view they arrived in the country about ten years after he did and started taking over. Or some such racist f***ing gibberish.

I sense a lot of anger in that post........


You dont really know what he has had to endure do you? You are only really surmising that he is talking shit.......you are being a bit mischievous

Anyway, he is probably outside at the moment lighting his burning cross....LOL

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I sense a lot of anger in that post........


You dont really know what he has had to endure do you? You are only really surmising that he is talking shit.......you are being a bit mischievous

Anyway, he is probably outside at the moment lighting his burning cross....LOL

Sorry dave, I just don't like racists.

 

[Arthur]

No he hasn't. The Sydney Morning Herald has given a variety of first hand accounts of what is going on in Oz. Plus analysis. Y'know, interviewing all sides of the situation.

Geezer on here has been airing his VIEWS on Lebos taking over, mainly cos in his view they arrived in the country about ten years after he did and started taking over. Or some such racist f***ing gibberish.

Perhaps that is what has happend though?

You been to Sydney recently?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Sorry dave, I just don't like racists.

even if they have a point?