Racism in Australia

[Tom Bombadil]

WHATEVER......you are obviously well travelled and have accrued the benifits of an expanded mental horizon...............unlike me who has been nowhere and seen and learned sweet fuk all.........

Nice comeback, plenty of insults no actual argument , takes me right back to the playground.
I have to admit when i first read your post and got to the bit about the blonde daughters i thought it had to be a wind up, but fair play it seems you are the sort of hairy knuckled window-licker who actually believes this.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

LOL ! So it's about aesthetics ?

Step one; Face racism
Two; confess to it
Three; Decide to make good.

There, now that looks better in the sunshine, sunshine. fair dinkum cobber.

If you read the thread you would notice that I admit their is racism in Australia, but to compare it to South Africa is simply insulting.

 

[Porky]

Enoch Powell, where are you?

 

[A Melbourne Albion Supporter]

It all brings up some very interesting points.

Sydney is vast and sprawling city of almost 5 million people, it lends itself to people living in more distinct regions within the city, thus fostering a more separatist attitude.

Sydney also has the most outrageous radio "shock jock" culture, moronic imbeciles who clog the air waves with their options.

What "Sydney Seagull" says about the recent trouble with Lebanese gangs and pack rapes is bang on the money. I have seen these clowns in action up there and it is nothing more than young men with too much time on their hands and a COMPLETE lack of respect for women of any race. They are them as nothing more than meat basically, which is fundamentally scary.

Living in Melbourne a more cosmopolitan and tolerant city than Sydney IMO, I have good mates that are various racial backgrounds (not that it means anything to me, although it just meant I ate well when I went to their places growing up ). Racism is something common across all backgrounds. I have seen appauling racism from Asian, Greeks, Indians and Italians, much worse than I have seen from Anglo people, but because you are Anglo and make an observation or have an opinion you are jumped upon as being a racist.

For you guys back there to sitting in judgement on Australians and their treatment of the Aboriginals is utter crap. For the first 100 years or more that this country was in existence the majority of the population was straight out of the "old country", not to mention the Governors of each Colony, now States and the overall running of the country. So historical problems the Aboriginals complain about are caused by you to as they were your ancestors too.

Canada's local aboriginal population according to a recent UN reports are in worse shape than Australia's aboriginals. Australia's aboriginals get hundreds of millions of dollars each year on programs to help them and things are slowly changing for the better.

If I were to take the view you have over there about what has happened here, I would surmise your country has gone to the shit and is nothing more than a cesspool of racial divide and hate, with the ultimate exponent of that being home grown suicide bombers killing their fellow country men out of hate.

But I know the news picks up on only the most outrageous and extreme parts of a story and magnifies them.

Please listen to those with first hand knowledge before you launch into any further hearsay views.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Please listen to those with first hand knowledge before you launch into any further hearsay views. [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't think people were questioning what happened, people like Tom and Vosh were saying the description/interpretations were racist (which is nonsense). Tom and Vosh's views are annoying to me because they immediately jump on this as RACIST when to be honest, a REACTION like this is normal (see Lushs post). What is racist is isolated incidents when the event is used as an excuse for random leb-bashing (for want of a better expression). So Tom and Vosh are immediately stifling true debate by labelling in a very generic way a complicated series of events.

I think as well that the Aussies (and Kiwis for that matter) better stop blaming the British for everything, your a self-governing, independent country that set your immigration rules, now deal with like eveyother western country has had to (some better, some worse (France)).

And yes, I have lived in Australia.

However, Melbourne, I do agree largely with what you say. I have seen upfront the abuse of women in Sydney (and Perth) by non-Whites PURELY for the reason that these white women did not adhere to middle eastern practice of covering bare skin. I'm a fairly passive guy, but I flattened the guy that spat at my female friend on Scarboro? beach and spent a night in cells because of it.

 

[A Melbourne Albion Supporter]

I think as well that the Aussies (and Kiwis for that matter) better stop blaming the British for everything, your a self-governing, independent country that set your immigration rules, now deal with like eveyother western country has had to (some better, some worse (France)).

Yes we are self governing, but the general crap that is always rolled out about Aboriginals/Maoris raised in previous posts occurred under British rule (so it is all very well trying to take a distant view to it, but you have to deal with it as yr involved too). As I said governments over many generations since "independence" have spent a shed load of wedge on trying to correct the past wrongs and it is a slow process.

However, Melbourne, I do agree largely with what you say. I have seen upfront the abuse of women in Sydney (and Perth) by non-Whites PURELY for the reason that these white women did not adhere to middle eastern practice of covering bare skin. I'm a fairly passive guy, but I flattened the guy that spat at my female friend on Scarboro? beach and spent a night in cells because of it.

I don't condone violence, but that was a top move. I hope the perpetrator also spent time in the clink as well for assaulting yr friend, disgusting

 

[London Irish]

i moved to perth in february as i now have three young kids all girls with beautiful blond hair and big blue eyes

Why not try Brazil next, isn't that where all your type fled too after the second world war was over?

Oh, and what's the betting your Aryan daughters will bring home huge BLACK boyfriends in a few years' time

 

[looney]

But you cant just go around here challenging the leftwing dogma with contrary anecdotes of personal experiance.
Thats just racist.

 

[Redhead]

Seems a storm in a teacup to me

 

[NMH]

Why not try Brazil next, isn't that where all your type fled too after the second world war was over?

Oh, and what's the betting your Aryan daughters will bring home huge BLACK boyfriends in a few years' time

They might even bring home Irish boyfriends !

 

[NMH]

If you read the thread you would notice that I admit their is racism in Australia, but to compare it to South Africa is simply insulting.

Ok, fair response and perhaps my comparison seems an affront to you. Let's try and get to the crux of the matter then;

The racism in SA is exacerbated by disdain existing on both sides, combined with decades of crime, murder and total disparity between haves and have-nowts.
Tribalism doesn't help, and some of Africa is on a par with the stone age, while a civilised technologically advanced white race made the south theirs.

SA has been a catalyst/pressure-cooker of racial angst mostly due to the influx of Europeans annexing themselves from the locals.

Australia has basically been Euros annexing the locals. Now what's going on ?

The Aborigines, as I understand it, are comparitively peaceful as a race. That white Australians have somewhat exploited or segragated them in the past, is more comparable with the latter-day plight of the American Indians.
Australia is apparently now trying to come to terms with an expanding World that now brings Asians, North Africans, Mid-Easterners, Indians and Pakistanis to the Great Southern Land.

The new, non-Euro peoples are segregated, vilified, criminalised? How is this happening?

 

[GNF on Tour]

But you cant just go around here challenging the leftwing dogma with contrary anecdotes of personal experiance.
Thats just racist.

My God, its happened, I agree with Looney (goes to fetch rope and ladder - goodbye world)!

 

[A Melbourne Albion Supporter]

Australia is apparently now trying to come to terms with an expanding World that now brings Asians, North Africans, Mid-Easterners, Indians and Pakistanis to the Great Southern Land.

The new, non-Euro peoples are segregated, vilified, criminalised? How is this happening?

Asians have been here for 150 years…post war there was an influx of continental Europeans and adjustments were made 50 years ago, in the late 70's Asian immigrants were the next big wave, but for the most part there is no longer an issue with regard. The new wave of migrants are coming from Sudan, Somalia and Ethiopia. I have not heard of any issues there as Australia is a modern multicultural country.

Someone spoke of the potential for trouble when Aust. & Croatia meet in the WC, if they knew their facts they would know that most "ethnic" violence that has occurred in Australia has taken place between different ethnic groups (i.e. Serbs vs. Croats). And only to a minor extent.

As for non-Euro peoples are segregated, vilified, criminalised, what a load of tosh! New immigrant cling together in communities, as they do in any new country, using words like that is inflammatory and ignorant.

The worst racism I have experienced in this country has been directed towards us POMs by Australians of nay race.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Ok, fair response and perhaps my comparison seems an affront to you. Let's try and get to the crux of the matter then;

The racism in SA is exacerbated by disdain existing on both sides, combined with decades of crime, murder and total disparity between haves and have-nowts.
Tribalism doesn't help, and some of Africa is on a par with the stone age, while a civilised technologically advanced white race made the south theirs.

SA has been a catalyst/pressure-cooker of racial angst mostly due to the influx of Europeans annexing themselves from the locals.

Australia has basically been Euros annexing the locals. Now what's going on ?

The Aborigines, as I understand it, are comparitively peaceful as a race. That white Australians have somewhat exploited or segragated them in the past, is more comparable with the latter-day plight of the American Indians.
Australia is apparently now trying to come to terms with an expanding World that now brings Asians, North Africans, Mid-Easterners, Indians and Pakistanis to the Great Southern Land.

The new, non-Euro peoples are segregated, vilified, criminalised? How is this happening?

There was undoubtedly exploitation in the past, but we're talking decades! You can't put any blame on that on current Australians. As Melbourne said, the Aboriginals are given 100's of millions of dollars for self-improvement programs. And the riots now are completely unrelated to Aboriginals - it's the Lebanese and the white locals. Fuelled by white supremacists by the way.

It was only a couple of years ago that Burnley and Oldham erupted into riots, we had French riots recently, and now Australia. It's a Western phenomenen mainly due to 2nd generation foreigners not feeling integrated into either their host country or their roots. A recipe for social breakdown.

My point on this whole issue is that Australia's racial problems are no different to France or the UK. By saying that Australia is almost as bad as South African apartheid is offensive to myself (as part of Australian society), and to my friends - Australians who accept other religions and cultures as part of their society.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

It all brings up some very interesting points.

and it is nothing more than young men with too much time on their hands and a COMPLETE lack of respect for women of any race.

It is always a lack of respect - what is needed is more respect and more integration. More understanding and fewer generalisations.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

If in doubt, call everyone a Nazi. Works for Red Ken Livingstone

If you think that multiculturalism is failing, you must be a Nazi.
If you don't agree with how people of different races behave, you are well on the way to goose-stepping.
If you believe that there are more black people in prison because they commit more crimes, sieg heil.
If you believe that black children do worse at school because of poor black role models, you may as well call your house Auschwitz.
If you think that the way that some races treat their women is appalling, fall in behind the Ubergruppenfuhrer.

Don't forget boys, left is right!

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

*yawn*

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

*yawn*

There speaks the voice of the educated left.....

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

what makes you think you know my politics ?

I yawn because you come out with "poor little misunderstood me" bleatings as you attempt to apply your simplistic intepretations to complex issues.

In the Australian riots - would the same have happened if it had been a white christian group trying to get women to cover up on the beach ? Or they were young Italian lads harrassing girls on the beach ?

I know it is not the full story - as I know it is more complex than that.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

what makes you think you know my politics ?

I yawn because you come out with "poor little misunderstood me" bleatings as you attempt to apply your simplistic intepretations to complex issues.

In the Australian riots - would the same have happened if it had been a white christian group trying to get women to cover up on the beach ? Or they were young Italian lads harrassing girls on the beach ?

I know it is not the full story - as I know it is more complex than that.

Get a grip - I made one post about how people who don't conform to the left-ish leanings that are prevalent on here get automatically accused of being Nazis. Red Ken is about to appear at a disciplinary hearing for accusing a Jewish newspaper reporter of being a Nazi, and a concentration camp prison guard, simply because he was asking him questions! It's a lazy argument, which is what I was explaining - and it's an argument that the left chuck out all the time when their point of view is contradicted.

If you are going to stick people together and expect them to get on, at some point it's going to boil over, and Australia is experiencing this now. No matter what the excuse, the reaction is unfortunate. And notice how there is a distinct lack of coverage of the "ethnics" running off on their own little rampage of destruction - people would rather concentrate on the "Nazis" and their racist attacks.

And yes, it would have happened if it was in a country where the majority took a dim view of uncovered women on the beach.