Racism And The Cumberbatch Conundrum

[daveinprague]

Honestly it's true, unless you work in teaching you will never understand how kids will try to get teachers in to trouble.

Go on..

 

[User removed 4]

So if you're half Irish and half English, it's not acceptable to support one team in one sport and one team in another?

I'll just go and tell me step dad that he's forbidden from supporting Wales in the rugby and England in football. Or my French based relatives with their English/French parents who support France and England in everything.

el pres isn't half Irish though, he was born and brought up here, that's the point I'm making .

 

[Norman Potting]

I find this thread offensive - I have no idea why but feel that someone should apologise for something.

 

[stripeyshark]

Excuse me standing on one leg...

If you mix the black keys with the white keys, is that a half-cast symphony?...

 

[Simster]

el pres isn't half Irish though, he was born and brought up here, that's the point I'm making .

I don't know how Irish he feels, but obviously he does.

However I do find it quite amusing that you can simply tell El Pres that you don't agree with him for actually DOING this (because you know him) yet some other bloke on the same thread is apparently a "guilty middle class prick" for merely expressing an opinion on whether or not "coloured" might be offensive to a black guy.

 

[Dave the OAP]

"There is no evidence to support the suggestion that 'nitty-gritty' has any connection with slave ships. It may have originated in the USA as an African-American expression, but that's as near as it gets to slavery. It isn't even recorded in print until the 1930s, long after slave ships had disappeared, and none of the early references make any link to slavery."

The sister in law of a guy I work with is a high ranking officer in the met and he told me that three of her officers were disciplined and had to go on a race awareness course for using the term , perfectly innocently, during a meeting.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Does this mean I am not white anymore? Although I am olive really due to some invasion of England in the past, or am I now non coloured.

 

[User removed 4]

Firstly Hove wanderer. I wasnt offended. I questioned him about it.
He claims it is to show that he is against religion, whereas, anybody can see the plain reference to one faith.

At the beginning of this thread, I could have put a list of the people who would be upset by the change of terms in the English language, regarding race. It would have been accurate haha.

do leave off the word offended was all over your posts , I'm quite sure pastafarian will confirm this , don't you get it ? No one believes a word you say anymore ........coward.

 

[Hillian1]

I'm half Welsh on my mothers side, my Uncle played for the Full Welsh Rugby team. I support Wales in Rugby, England in everything else.

Don't like it, then fvck off.

Anyway, if the term Coloured is racist, that makes me a racist as I've been saying it for years. I honestly thought it was the accepted term.

 

[daveinprague]

do leave off the word offended was all over your posts , I'm quite sure pastafarian will confirm this , don't you get it ? No one believes a word you say anymore ........coward.

Dont you get it? More people laugh at you over it than me. Youre a serial ****wit, who repeats that same old bullshit over and over again. You have been seen to be a bit of a nitwit regarding it. Get it?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

"There is no evidence to support the suggestion that 'nitty-gritty' has any connection with slave ships. It may have originated in the USA as an African-American expression, but that's as near as it gets to slavery. It isn't even recorded in print until the 1930s, long after slave ships had disappeared, and none of the early references make any link to slavery."

Correct.
' Nitty-gritty '...." realities or basic facts of a matter " ( OED )....absolutely nothing wrong with using this expression....I use it regularly and will continue to do so.

 

[User removed 4]

I don't know how Irish he feels, but obviously he does.

However I do find it quite amusing that you can simply tell El Pres that you don't agree with him for actually DOING this (because you know him) yet some other bloke on the same thread is apparently a "guilty middle class prick" for merely expressing an opinion on whether or not "coloured" might be offensive to a black guy.

i don't know how Irish he feels either, the point I'm making is that his loyalty should be to England, he was born and brought up HERE, it amazes me that we've allowed this sort of thing to become so acceptable and are then amazed at the lack of social cohesion in this country.

 

[daveinprague]

Im hoping Bashldir continues with this school story. I would love to hear it.

 

[BigGully]

I remember sitting down and speaking to a black mate in the early 80's and we started chatting about something and he mentioned that 'coloured' wasn't really the appropriate word to describe him, black would be about right, this was just in a broader conversation about colour.

Lately another black mate and I were having a chat and he relayed a message that his Son of his white wife should be referred to as 'mixed race', this wasnt in response to anything that I said, there is too much trust between us, but more of a casual chat about these sensitivities.

I do sometimes though wonder of the dulux chart of blackness and when you leave being black and become mix race and how about two races that doesnt really effect the colour, so I guess thats my next chat with another mix raced guy, but of two black races, if that makes sense

I can confirm that it is quite appropriate to identify casually a guy by his race, colour or creed you just need to be up to speed to the current accepted terminology !!!

So I have some sympathy with this actor and others that really are slightly nervous of how they might address such an issue whilst trying to be so polite, the word coloured seems to be the word that comes out, a bit like terettes. .

 

[Mo Gosfield]

The sister in law of a guy I work with is a high ranking officer in the met and he told me that three of her officers were disciplined and had to go on a race awareness course for using the term , perfectly innocently, during a meeting.

Madness. The world has gone mad.
We have allowed the inmates to take over the asylum. ( I shall still continue to use this expression and don't give a damn what anyone thinks )

 

[User removed 4]

Dont you get it? More people laugh at you over it than me. Youre a serial ****wit, who repeats that same old bullshit over and over again. You have been seen to be a bit of a nitwit regarding it. Get it?

They really, really don't, you're a laughing stock over it.

 

[daveinprague]

You believe that ****wit. I realise anything else will shatter that fragile ego of yours.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm half Welsh on my mothers side, my Uncle played for the Full Welsh Rugby team. I support Wales in Rugby, England in everything else.

Don't like it, then fvck off.

Anyway, if the term Coloured is racist, that makes me a racist as I've been saying it for years. I honestly thought it was the accepted term.

I'm not on about the people who are 'half this or half that' I'm on about the people who are born here of foreign parents and then decide that they owe more allegiance to the country that their parents came from.

 

[8ace]

I'm sure there are bigger racialism issues in the US at present than what some plummy voiced english actor said on twitter.

 

[Norman Potting]

I'm sure there are bigger racialism issues in the US at present than what some plummy voiced english actor said on twitter.

Nail, head.