Racism And The Cumberbatch Conundrum

[Hillian1]

I'm sure there are bigger racialism issues in the US at present than what some plummy voiced english actor said on twitter.

This was bubbling along nicely, and then you had to put perspective into it.

Shame on you [MENTION=588]8ace[/MENTION]

 

[BadFish]

I'm not on about the people who are 'half this or half that' I'm on about the people who are born here of foreign parents and then decide that they owe more allegiance to the country that their parents came from.

I have chosen to move to Australia Bushy. Who am I allowed to support, I wouldn't want to be having a negative effect on social cohesion.

What about my children, who should they be supporting, Australia or England?

Are they allowed to support Brighton?

This is a middle class guilt minefield!!!!

 

[Hillian1]

i don't know how Irish he feels either, the point I'm making is that his loyalty should be to England, he was born and brought up HERE, it amazes me that we've allowed this sort of thing to become so acceptable and are then amazed at the lack of social cohesion in this country.

British then.

*steps away from keyboard*

 

[BadFish]

British then.

*steps away from keyboard*

Oh god, I was supporting Andy Murray over the Aussie bloke last night. Is that okay?

One of my children was too, should they be punished? What about the other two?

Won't somebody think of the social cohesion...... the guilt the guilt!

 

[User removed 4]

I have chosen to move to Australia Bushy. Who am I allowed to support, I wouldn't want to be having a negative effect on social cohesion.

What about my children, who should they be supporting, Australia or England?

Are they allowed to support Brighton?

This is a middle class guilt minefield!!!!

I'm never going to be anything other than English and an England supporter, If I moved to Australia or any other country on a permanent basis I'd acknowledge that id moved THERE because it was better than HERE , which is sadly not the case for a lot of the people who move here, I'd also bring my kids up as Australian/Canadian/or whatever nationality of the country we had moved to. I don't know how old your children are , but they should support Australia , if still quite young, the Aussies seem to have it right on the question of national loyalty.

 

[8ace]

This was bubbling along nicely, and then you had to put perspective into it.

Shame on you [MENTION=588]8ace[/MENTION]

bushy and dave from prague are both here, we are still looking good for 10 pages Hillian.

 

[BadFish]

I'm never going to be anything other than English and an England supporter, If I moved to Australia or any other country on a permanent basis I'd acknowledge that id moved THERE because it was better than HERE , which is sadly not the case for a lot of the people who move here, I'd also bring my kids up as Australian/Canadian/or whatever nationality of the country we had moved to.

So I can support England but my kids can't....... got it, I will let them know.

 

[User removed 4]

So I can support England but my kids can't....... got it, I will let them know.

How old are your kids ? From what I've seen of the Aussies you won't have to let them know, their peers will.

 

[Buzzer]

Next time you think of the name Benedict Cumberbatch sing it in time to "Another One Bites The Dust".

De-de dum dum dum Benedict Cumberbatch...


You're welcome.

 

[BadFish]

How old are your kids ? From what I've seen of the Aussies you won't have to let them know, their peers will.

They have funny accents the Aussies will never accept them. Bloody poms!

 

[StonehamPark]

Wrong Thread.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I remember sitting down and speaking to a black mate in the early 80's and we started chatting about something and he mentioned that 'coloured' wasn't really the appropriate word to describe him, black would be about right, this was just in a broader conversation about colour.

Lately another black mate and I were having a chat and he relayed a message that his Son of his white wife should be referred to as 'mixed race', this wasnt in response to anything that I said, there is too much trust between us, but more of a casual chat about these sensitivities.

I do sometimes though wonder of the dulux chart of blackness and when you leave being black and become mix race and how about two races that doesnt really effect the colour, so I guess thats my next chat with another mix raced guy, but of two black races, if that makes sense

I can confirm that it is quite appropriate to identify casually a guy by his race, colour or creed you just need to be up to speed to the current accepted terminology !!!

So I have some sympathy with this actor and others that really are slightly nervous of how they might address such an issue whilst trying to be so polite, the word coloured seems to be the word that comes out, a bit like terettes. .

Isn't it sad that we have all been reduced to a state of perpetual nervousness by those that have hijacked our language for their own purposes.
Political correctness is now a powerful industry, manufactured by individuals, who some years ago, saw an opportunity to create influence and financial gain for themselves, by psychological manipulation. And its worked. We are now brainwashed into this life of sensitivity, where the slightest perceived slip of the tongue is pounced upon by those that know better.
There is an agenda in place and there has been for some time. Its calculated and deliberate and it keeps a lot of people in jobs that wouldn't otherwise exist.
" White "...isn't that ridiculous in itself!....we are all different skin tones and hues...it is an offence in itself to label people as ' white ' Blacks refer to us as ' Pinkies ' I'm not white. My skin tone is a long way from white.
Anyway...back to the nitty-gritty of work.

 

[BadFish]

Isn't it sad that we have all been reduced to a state of perpetual nervousness by those that have hijacked our language for their own purposes.
Political correctness is now a powerful industry, manufactured by individuals, who some years ago, saw an opportunity to create influence and financial gain for themselves, by psychological manipulation. And its worked. We are now brainwashed into this life of sensitivity, where the slightest perceived slip of the tongue is pounced upon by those that know better.
There is an agenda in place and there has been for some time. Its calculated and deliberate and it keeps a lot of people in jobs that wouldn't otherwise exist.
" White "...isn't that ridiculous in itself!....we are all different skin tones and hues...it is an offence in itself to label people as ' white ' Blacks refer to us as ' Pinkies ' I'm not white. My skin tone is a long way from white.
Anyway...back to the nitty-gritty of work.

So where do we all sit in this debate? Are we, by discussing this, taking a stand against this kind of nonsense our are we contributing to its perpetuation?

Surely the media can howl with indignation as much as they like, but if we just ignore them then surely eventually they would give up.

 

[User removed 4]

I don't know how Irish he feels, but obviously he does.

However I do find it quite amusing that you can simply tell El Pres that you don't agree with him for actually DOING this (because you know him) yet some other bloke on the same thread is apparently a "guilty middle class prick" for merely expressing an opinion on whether or not "coloured" might be offensive to a black guy.

still waiting for your answer , I'd be genuinely interested to know your views , on people born here of foreign parents, not half and half,but English born of foreign parents and where you feel allegiances should lie, and the subsequent effects on social cohesion.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Did you actually read the whole article? Was quite interesting.

Ironically you seem to be getting a bit agitated by it yourself.

For the record I was born in 1972. Been aware that the term coloured wasn't 'on' for decades. I'm pretty surprised someone of Cumberbatch's generation would use it. That writer though doesn't condemn anyone for using it who wasn't aware of how the word has changed over the years and even makes the point it was never used in an insulting way.

Really don't see the problem with not using a term that a group of people find insulting in some way. It's not as if they've demanded anything ridiculous like you get in business speak.

I was born in '74, it wasn't a term to use when I was growing up...

 

[father_and_son]

Does this mean I am not white anymore? Although I am olive really due to some invasion of England in the past, or am I now non coloured.

I'm going to describe myself as "Bleached" in future, thus suggesting that my natural colour has, over the generations, been removed and implying my Celtic ancestry to be inferior to the worldwide majority who are darker skinned than me.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You only have to do a google image search of 'white coloured' to realise the offence the term can cause and represent. People think words don't have inherent cultural meanings, but they do. In the UK we didn't experience the extent of discrimination in say the US or South Africa, but the term 'coloured' contains all the cultural significance and extent of discrimination from those periods. It's not just a word, it represents a far wider part of history, of civil rights, freedom and equality.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Things, words, meanings, sensitivities etc. have changed a lot over my lifetime. I try to stay abreast of them and not to use terms that people find derogatory or offensive. I do this simply as I have no desire to be derogatory or offensive to anyone (90 minutes per week excepted). It's hard for me to know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of such comments because as a white, English male (Masters of the Universe) I'm pretty uninsultable given the I innate sense of superiority that grants me. .

On a separate note I thought it was a pleasure (and a credit to him) to hear such a wholehearted and fulsome apology. You never hear anyone taking responsibility for their actions or for the offence or damage they have caused these days. At best you get a mealy mouthed, half baked statement from someone, that you have to search hard for any actual sign of contrition, to compensate you IF YOU FELT YOU WERE offended/upset/maimed/impoverished/abused etc. So hats of to the privileged white male for that one.

 

[piersa]

It's absolutely pathetic isn't it. I'm like you, sick of people jumping up and down get offended. He said the word coloured, people should really get over it.

You want to hear pathetic, at my wifes last school she was handing out pens to kids who forgot to bring them in. My wife was handing out Black and Blue pens, it just so happened that one child who happened to be from an ethnic minority, got given a black pen accidently. My wife was accused of being racist.

My wife is a teacher. She is no longer allowed to sing ba ba black sheep. Enough said.

 

[piersa]

Sorry. I doubt that little tale at the end.


Its funny to see people jumping up and down being 'offended' by this, and admonishing others for being 'offended' about other issues.

You believe what you want. This type of thing happens regularly in schools.