Polish workers

[Chesney Christ]

Sorry, maybe I am missing something, but in what way do they 'pay reduced rent'? And how are they exempt from coucil tax, and how do they get tax relief? I'm not necessarily saying that these things aren't true, but I've never heard of this before.

The reason you've never heard this before is because he is talking out of his @rse.

 

[Nibble]

I've heard this before... evidence please (you did say it was a FACT).

What evidence do you need? I know from working in a benefits office. You are going to have to take my word for it. If that's not good enough there aint much I can do about it.

The only way for the public to find out is ring up benefits pretending to be polish, other than that you won't know unless you know Polish people on that benefit or possibly trawl through government legislation.

Funny how people only want the sources for arguments they disagree with but accept any old waffle if it backs up there argument.

 

[Nibble]

The reason you've never heard this before is because he is talking out of his @rse.

If you read the thread properly numpty, I already admitted my info was out of date.

 

[NMH]

my sentiments exactly, sometimes you feel unable to air your views publicly for fear of being branded a racist.

I think that if many people voted for what they really believed in and not be in fear of being ridiculed ,the BNP and the like would have a much stronger footing in this country.

What a lot of tosh.

Who, in this country has to go around with a badge saying "I voted for BNP" or any other party? You vote for who you want in government, and no-one either has to declare who they vote for, or worry about "ridicule" when they vote!

This is a free country mate - I have no idea which country YOU have been living in, but people can and do vote "for what they believe in" as you state.

As for "the BNP and the like" - who is "the like"?



As for the BNP doing even 10% of the GOOD things they say - I'd worry about the 90% that's left. What would the 90% represent, and maybe - just maybe - they tell people what they want to hear (like politicians do) and then do something else.
I'd also worry about the few soundbites they've sputtered as a wink to the racist element and "keep Britain ethnically clean" types. Do they wear brown shirts yet?

Nah, the walk, the webbed feet, and too many quacks have come from them to make me think "they're not a duck".

Whatever happens to a whole movement (or FRONT) of people who have ultimately failed to get anywhere with one manifesto? They change it, so it will be palette-able for mass consumption, then throw in the kind of spices that work as that nod and a 'wink'.

 

[sten_super]

S433 - this is 2008 not 1948. Post war economics and politics relied on *the rest of Europe being f***ed too*. Now they're not. None of the BNPs fantasies will work now.

The 2M on benefits tehy want to get working are incapable of working - either due to disability, laziness or stupidity. If you get them 'working' the work they do will be substandard. Its not a runner.

Leaving the EU is very, very difficult if not near impossible, so sorry, thats not a runner either.

Increasing "import taxes" as you call them - no such thing exists - will lead to all your exports being taxed to f*** by everyone else, leading to your fabled increase in manufacturing industry being stillborn.

If it was all this simple it would have been done already.

Excellent summing up. Although to pull you up on a technicality, there are import taxes; they are called tariffs. They don't exist within the EU, but the EU shares common tariffs that are applied to trade with non-members.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

What eveidence do you need? I know from working in a benefits office. You are going to have to take my word for it. If that's not good enough there aint much I can do about it.

The only for the public way to find out is ring up benefits pretending to be polish, other than that you won't know unless you know Polish people on that benefit or possibly trawl through government legislation.

Funny how people only want the sources for arguments they disagree with but accept any old waffle if it backs up there argument.

Hold on a minute Nibble... no need to go overboard. I didn't say I disagree with you...... I am aware that things like this can happen.... doesn't matter who you are you can always find a legal loophole to egt what you want... look how mnay White Anglo_Saxon British people get doen every year for fraud by cheating on benefit.

SO CALM DOWN..... maybe you have seen this... fine but again how do they manage it and if you do work in a benefits offfice you know who the scam works.... how do they do it?

Your point ıs valid for Poles and all other humans... is it ok for British to take advantage of the system because they are British.. for example to pay for their villa in Spain?

 

[readingstockport]

The reason you've never heard this before is because he is talking out of his @rse.

Actually on this there is I think a tiny little bit of truth in there. Not sure where the link would be, and I assure I don't read the daily hitler supporting mail, but I've heard this on a source recently which I would normally regard as reliable. Possbibly the BBC but I can't remember.

I am willing to accept it is bollocks if someone can prove it is though.

 

[Nibble]

Hold on a minute Nibble... no need to go overboard. I didn't say I disagree with you...... I am aware that things like this can happen.... doesn't matter who you are you can always find a legal loophole to egt what you want... look how mnay White Anglo_Saxon British people get doen every year for fraud by cheating on benefit.

SO CALM DOWN..... maybe you have seen this... fine but again how do they manage it and if you do work in a benefits offfice you know who the scam works.... how do they do it?

Your point ıs valid for Poles and all other humans... is it ok for British to take advantage of the system because they are British.. for example to pay for their villa in Spain?

I am calm.

I used to work in a benefits office and, strangely, it isn't a scam. They are entitled to claim for children living in Poland. As regards benefit scams in England , no I don't agree with it at all but the point is theis isn't a scam.

I don't have a problem with immigrants, I don't support the BNP, I am not racist, xenophobic or hatefilled, I just think that particular benefit is a bit beyond.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I am calm.

I used to work in a benefits office and, strangely, it isn't a scam. They are entitled to claim for children living in Poland. As regards benefit scams in England , no I don't agree with it at all but the point is theis isn't a scam.

I don't have a problem with immigrants, I don't support the BNP, I am not racist, xenophobic or hatefilled, I just think that particular benefit is a bit beyond.

Do you know if it is the same in other EU countries..... I suppose it is..... For example English people living in Holland.... can they claim benefit for kids living in England?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I work with a number of Polish, Slovakians and Romanians, and they are all really good, hard workers and polite.

errr you're missing the point

 

[steward 433]

S433 - this is 2008 not 1948. Post war economics and politics relied on *the rest of Europe being f***ed too*. Now they're not. None of the BNPs fantasies will work now.

The 2M on benefits tehy want to get working are incapable of working - either due to disability, laziness or stupidity. If you get them 'working' the work they do will be substandard. Its not a runner.

Leaving the EU is very, very difficult if not near impossible, so sorry, thats not a runner either.

Increasing "import taxes" as you call them - no such thing exists - will lead to all your exports being taxed to f*** by everyone else, leading to your fabled increase in manufacturing industry being stillborn.

If it was all this simple it would have been done already.

No government to date has ever had the bollocks to leave the EU and put these policies into practice

If given a set timescale of say 11 years to match the labour term in power i think that the bnp would make a difference!!

as long as they keep the racist policies out then i would be happy to let them have a go as lets face it they can't f*** it up more than blair and brown have!!

we currently export f*** all to china so i cant see them putting an import tax up on our goods having any affect

 

[Nibble]

Do you know if it is the same in other EU countries..... I suppose it is..... For example English people living in Holland.... can they claim benefit for kids living in England?

I'm not sure but I would oppse that too. Most English people working abroad I would imagine can get a better than minimum wage job and probably don't need to have their families on benefits. Not like those Polish Carnies!

 

[readingstockport]

Do you know if it is the same in other EU countries..... I suppose it is..... For example English people living in Holland.... can they claim benefit for kids living in England?

If the benefit exists then as an EU national living in the country then yes, I think you are entitled to claim it. I thiknk the benefit has to exist in the first place.

And there may be some process in place whereby the 'host' country can reclaim the expense from the original country but I'm not entirely sure on that.

 

[Cian]

No government to date has ever had the bollocks to leave the EU and put these policies into practice

If given a set timescale of say 11 years to match the labour term in power i think that the bnp would make a difference!!

as long as they keep the racist policies out then i would be happy to let them have a go as lets face it they can't f*** it up more than blair and brown have!!

we currently export f*** all to china so i cant see them putting an import tax up on our goods having any affect

Greenland did. Its now virtually impossible to leave though - all member states are tied too closely to leave.

If you imposed a general import tariff it would be more than China who'd put the same on your exports - you import from more than one country! You import almost three times as much from GERMANY as China, and nearly as much from Ireland. You also exported nearly £4Bn of goods to China in 2007.

And there is no way, in f***ing hell, that the BNP would 'keep out' the racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, mysogonistic policies which define the entire party.

 

[readingstockport]

No government to date has ever had the bollocks to leave the EU and put these policies into practice

If given a set timescale of say 11 years to match the labour term in power i think that the bnp would make a difference!!

as long as they keep the racist policies out then i would be happy to let them have a go as lets face it they can't f*** it up more than blair and brown have!!

we currently export f*** all to china so i cant see them putting an import tax up on our goods having any affect

But steward, much as griffin wants to pretend otehrwise, the racist policies of the bnp are their rasion d'etre. It's what defines them. Remove them and you have a party not much different from the tories tbh.

 

[Chesney Christ]

If you read the thread properly numpty, I already admitted my info was out of date.

Stop presenting something as fact then, if you have no idea whether it is or not.

 

[steward 433]

But steward, much as griffin wants to pretend otehrwise, the racist policies of the bnp are their rasion d'etre. It's what defines them. Remove them and you have a party not much different from the tories tbh.

But the policies are vastly different and i believe would start to turn the country around.

Griffin is a complete twat couldn't agree more there though

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

There are hard working polite people all over the world. Do we have to have all of them living here?

There is a reason they choose to come to this country. Think about it for one minute without the cloud of racism accusations obscuring your minds.

 

[Nibble]

Stop presenting something as fact then, if you have no idea whether it is or not.

Oh stop your whining. I thought it to be fact at the time, someone pointed out it wasn't, I then thanked them for the update and that was the end of the story. Do you see how it works? Probably not.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

readingstockport you are so obliviously .ANTI NAZI LEAGUE .but have you been watching the series on CH4 for on immigration ,seems a lot of people are concerned about what's going on or are you going to condem it out of hand again