Polish workers

[Pretty pink fairy]

The problem is not enough people will vote for the BNP and UKIP (similar ideas) and the most radical they will get is to try and get the Tories back in. I think its absolute bollocks for the Government to say that immigration into the UK is slowing down and workers are returning home , ATM there is still a steady influx of EU nationals coming here with a high percentage settling here to raise their families rather than stay 6 months and then go back home.

is that regional or across the board

 

[sten_super]

Erm yes i have a good grasp of economics etc, I didn't say close the border to trade did i? what i said is an increase in import duty didn't say 10% or 50% just a small raise.

2 million people working i said off of benefit as in working not slumming away in a shanty town.

Bringing in the sliding tax scale will help a lot of deprived areas and familys one that Thatcher ruined when she dropped the 70% tax bracket as soon as her earnings went into that bracket strangly enough

But you are proposing to increase import duty enough to significantly reduce trade, and replace it with (much much much higher cost) domestic production. The entire aim of any increase in import duty is to reduce or remove foreign trade! And anything that is still traded will be on sale in this country at a much higher price. All you are going to do is create horrific levels of inflation, which will far far outway any benefit you may get from some extra employment.

That plan seems to be based on the fact that everyone from whom you remove benefits will enter employment. This will patently not be the case. While not everyone removed from benefits will end up in shanty towns, a significant proportion will. If anything, what you propose will widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots, not narrow it.

 

[sten_super]

The problem is not enough people will vote for the BNP and UKIP (similar ideas) and the most radical they will get is to try and get the Tories back in. I think its absolute bollocks for the Government to say that immigration into the UK is slowing down and workers are returning home , ATM there is still a steady influx of EU nationals coming here with a high percentage settling here to raise their families rather than stay 6 months and then go back home.

Sorry, but aren't these exactly the type of immigrants that we want? People that will work in this country, and plough taxes into our system? You have to remember that on average, people that work put more into the governments coffers than they remove (hence the fact that we are able to afford unemployment benefits).

 

[Nibble]

Out of interest, what sort of tax back/tax relief are we talking here? As far as I know, they'd be entitled to tax back if they come under the tax threshold (just like anybody else) and wouldn't be able to claim any sort of tax relief unless they spent 6 months or more in any given year back in Poland.

And how do they claim "reduced rate" rent? Genuinely, I don't know what you're referring to.

It's also worth pointing out that these people are bailing out our pensions shortfall. They work, paying national insurance contributions into the UK state pension fund, and the chances of them recouping that money in retirement are neglible.

yeah, already explained where I went wrong earlier.

 

[steward 433]

But you are proposing to increase import duty enough to significantly reduce trade, and replace it with (much much much higher cost) domestic production. The entire aim of any increase in import duty is to reduce or remove foreign trade! And anything that is still traded will be on sale in this country at a much higher price. All you are going to do is create horrific levels of inflation, which will far far outway any benefit you may get from some extra employment.

That plan seems to be based on the fact that everyone from whom you remove benefits will enter employment. This will patently not be the case. While not everyone removed from benefits will end up in shanty towns, a significant proportion will. If anything, what you propose will widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots, not narrow it.

once again did i say what time period this would be done over NO the increase in import tax would more than cover LGV vehicle excise duty dissapering which in real term would REDUCE the cost of haulage and therefore shop prices.

To get these people back into work is the bigger task yes but at the moment there are 2.35million unemployed and 3.6million job vacancies in this country!!!

That is half the reason that we have a lot of immigrants in the country i am NOT a racist but what i object to is having been on the council housing waiting list for 18 years now and seeing new properties built and immigrants who (are a very nice family by the way) have never paid a penny into the country be placed in a brand new property within 4 weeks of being in the country

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

You take 2 million people off benefits, what do you honestly think is going to happen?

The problem with this is providing work for the majority of claimants who are scroungers. How do you organise voluntary/community work for them ? As an employer who is going to offer them a job if they haven't worked since leaving school , suffer from stress or depression , have a criminal record ? Its hard enough now finding a regular job so will they be given preference over other applicants ? People on benefits think that why should they work to get the same equivalent in take home pay when they can just do nothing.

 

[Nibble]

whatever anyone says, and this is not racist it is wrong that our government houses and supports families of immigrants. Do you know that if a Polish worker has a wife and kids back in Poland they can claim child support from our government for their kids in Poland. That is a fact, and it angers me.

 

[steward 433]

The problem with this is providing work for the majority of claimants who are scroungers. How do you organise voluntary/community work for them ? As an employer who is going to offer them a job if they haven't worked since leaving school , suffer from stress or depression , have a criminal record ? Its hard enough now finding a regular job so will they be given preference over other applicants ? People on benefits think that why should they work to get the same equivalent in take home pay when they can just do nothing.

you put a firm limitation on the length of time they recieve benefits and if they don't find a job after that time then they are placed in a job

Plenty of government jobs available

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Sorry, but aren't these exactly the type of immigrants that we want? People that will work in this country, and plough taxes into our system? You have to remember that on average, people that work put more into the governments coffers than they remove (hence the fact that we are able to afford unemployment benefits).

Yes , these are the people we need to do all the shitty jobs and pay into the system rather than just milk it. I dont believe in Government statistics however that say immigration into the UK is slowing down and migrant workers are returning home after a short stay , at grass roots level there seems to be more Poles and Eastern European working here compared to last year.

 

[sod1]

why are people who are concerned about the state of the country tagged with the BNP??

my sentiments exactly, sometimes you feel unable to air your views publicly for fear of being branded a racist.

I think that if many people voted for what they really believed in and not be in fear of being ridiculed ,the BNP and the like would have a much stronger footing in this country.

 

[readingstockport]

my sentiments exactly, sometimes you feel unable to air your views publicly for fear of being branded a racist.

I think that if many people voted for what they really believed in and not be in fear of being ridiculed ,the BNP and the like would have a much stronger footing in this country.

I care about the state of this country. I would argue that I care at least as much as you and possibly more.
The reason I care is because this is the single best country, or more accurately nation, in the world imho and I don't want that being ruined by a bunch of neo-fascists who wrap themselves in false patriotism and use the union flag to disguise their deep and abiding distrust of anything foreign or 'alien'.

Billy Brag for one has been trying to start a debate on what it is to be English/British but doing it in an inclusive way and not in the exclusive way which the bnp would like.

 

[sten_super]

once again did i say what time period this would be done over NO the increase in import tax would more than cover LGV vehicle excise duty dissapering which in real term would REDUCE the cost of haulage and therefore shop prices.

Sorry I don't mean to be pedantic but I don't quite understand the workings of this policy. So the aim is to increase import tax, with the aim of (presumably) reducing imports. Is that correct? How are we replacing these things that we import? Is the idea then that any increase in prices this would create would be counteracted by the removal of excise duty on LGVs? Surely then that would simply mean that costs to the importer remain the same? Wouldn't we then have exactly the same level of imports from China, etc.?

There is undoubtedly a stigma attached to the BNP, but I'm afraid it's one that's been well earnt by those at the top of the party. I respect that some people feel (and are) losing out to immigrants. However, surely the answer is to increase facilities, etc to help all, rather than trying to cut some sections of society out altogether?

 

[readingstockport]

Sorry I don't mean to be pedantic but I don't quite understand the workings of this policy. So the aim is to increase import tax, with the aim of (presumably) reducing imports. Is that correct? How are we replacing these things that we import? Is the idea then that any increase in prices this would create would be counteracted by the removal of excise duty on LGVs? Surely then that would simply mean that costs to the importer remain the same? Wouldn't we then have exactly the same level of imports from China, etc.?

There is undoubtedly a stigma attached to the BNP, but I'm afraid it's one that's been well earnt by those at the top of the party. I respect that some people feel (and are) losing out to immigrants. However, surely the answer is to increase facilities, etc to help all, rather than trying to cut some sections of society out altogether?

And it's fairy tale economics. All this wonderful stuff is going to happen over a completely undefined timescale. Well whoop dee doo. The world is going to end in an undefined timescale as well, probably before the bnp manage to produce a coherent economic policy document.

Edit to add, it's not entirely unsurprising the bnp economics aren't that hot. The greens aren't either. They simply don't have access to the kind of information they need to put together sensible policies so fairy tale it is.

 

[Marty McFly]

I work with a number of Polish, Slovakians and Romanians, and they are all really good, hard workers and polite.

 

[steward 433]

Sorry I don't mean to be pedantic but I don't quite understand the workings of this policy. So the aim is to increase import tax, with the aim of (presumably) reducing imports. Is that correct? How are we replacing these things that we import? Is the idea then that any increase in prices this would create would be counteracted by the removal of excise duty on LGVs? Surely then that would simply mean that costs to the importer remain the same? Wouldn't we then have exactly the same level of imports from China, etc.?

the aim is to further reduce transport costs with a drop in fuel duty vehicle tax etc to make the transportation cheaper then we can be more competitave in manufacturing and then SLOWLY reduce the amount we need to import. this creates jobs reduces unemployment and we after a while get cheaper goods in the shops.

There is undoubtedly a stigma attached to the BNP, but I'm afraid it's one that's been well earnt by those at the top of the party. I respect that some people feel (and are) losing out to immigrants. However, surely the answer is to increase facilities, etc to help all, rather than trying to cut some sections of society out altogether?

Agreed the stigma and they way certain members of the party have behaved is abhorrent a lot of familys are losing out and they (some like me working three jobs just to survive) have put a lot in to this country .

 

[steward 433]

Edit to add, it's not entirely unsurprising the bnp economics aren't that hot. The greens aren't either. They simply don't have access to the kind of information they need to put together sensible policies so fairy tale it is.

The government have to internally publish the figures you twat

 

[Nibble]

I work with a number of Polish, Slovakians and Romanians, and they are all really good, hard workers and polite.

There are hard working polite people all over the world. Do we have to have all of them living here?

There is a reason they choose to come to this country. Think about it for one minute without the cloud of racism accusations obscuring your minds.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

whatever anyone says, and this is not racist it is wrong that our government houses and supports families of immigrants. Do you know that if a Polish worker has a wife and kids back in Poland they can claim child support from our government for their kids in Poland. That is a fact, and it angers me.

I've heard this before... evidence please (you did say it was a FACT).

 

[steward 433]

I've heard this before... evidence please (you did say it was a FACT).

Members of the EU

My nephew deals with the claims day in day out and he reckons the poles are claiming for children they have never had, had and died, other peoples kids etc and scamming the uk out of millions

 

[Cian]

S433 - this is 2008 not 1948. Post war economics and politics relied on *the rest of Europe being f***ed too*. Now they're not. None of the BNPs fantasies will work now.

The 2M on benefits tehy want to get working are incapable of working - either due to disability, laziness or stupidity. If you get them 'working' the work they do will be substandard. Its not a runner.

Leaving the EU is very, very difficult if not near impossible, so sorry, thats not a runner either.

Increasing "import taxes" as you call them - no such thing exists - will lead to all your exports being taxed to f*** by everyone else, leading to your fabled increase in manufacturing industry being stillborn.

If it was all this simple it would have been done already.