Police 'find blood on walls of Madeleine abduction flat'

[Yorkie]

Starry. I really hope it wasn't anyone from Nsc that has done this.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I'm also appalled to hear that, Starry, and can only hope it wasn't anyone from this site. And to be honest whether it was or wasn't, such low-life hardly even deserve your anger - so upsetting as it most certainly must be, just dismiss them as pitiable individuals.

I'm not a hypocrite, and disagreed with a lot of your sentiments re the McCanns three months ago (it didn't seem worth rejoining the debate on this thread).

But even the notion that someone on here might have from today's thread lost the plot on what is and isn't decent behaviour to that extent is very depressing. I really hope not.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

This is the most depressing thread I've ever read

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Shame on anyone who would even consider such a thing.

 

[beorhthelm]

thats just pathetic. anyone who attacks someone via a memorial site doesnt have the moral substance required to have a worthwhile opinion on anything. they loose.

 

[Starry]

Starry. I really hope it wasn't anyone from Nsc that has done this.

This is the only place online that I have written anything about the McCanns and one of the tribute messages had references to things I/Paddy have said in this thread.

Laura - I know it would never be Hans and I certainly wasn't aiming those comments at him, I just tagged my message onto that post when I was replying to his.

That said, I deleted that message of mine last night because I don't want to go all over it, but some of you are just too quick at quoting, decided whoever it was it's a battle I'm not going to fight right now. Maybe the website will give me the details I don't know. Wasted enough energy focusing on bad stuff already, I really am bowing out of this thread now because it's not worth it.

 

[Lokki 7]

It makes me feel sick that someone from here would put abuse on your memorial site. I know you probably would just like to forget the incident, but I really hope you can find out who it was and post it here for all to see. Disgusting behaviour.

 

[Questions]

And those moon landings were fake.

What a twatish thing to say.
There have been many many instances of a parent/parents who have killed a child and then covered it up. I think it unlikely that has happened in this case but to have mentioned it in this thread (as some have ) hardly makes you a conspiracy theorist looney does it.

 

[Lokki 7]

What a twatish thing to say.

This would make a good signature for you.

 

[Bozza]

Blimey.

As others who have posted here, I don't agree with Starry's views on this most emotive of discussions - I made that perfectly clear on other threads on this subject, which is why I steered clear here.

However, for anyone to use such a difference of opinion to make disgusting comments on the memorial pages of Starry's daughter is truly sickening. This board logs the IP address of each and every post made and it goes without saying that if at all possible I will assist in identifying whether these comments came from an NSC member. Needless to say, if they are found to originate from an NSC member you will no longer be welcome here.

 

[Lush]

Everybody on here whichever corner they are choosing in this discussion KNOWS that the parents, however well meaning, made a very bad parenting decision. this is not to say that castigating them at this point is either worthwhile or helpful.

...coming in late to thread, but anyway....

Parents make parenting decisions all the time. But it seems to me that it only becomes a bad decision when the consequences are known. But how can you know in advance? You take the decision to let seven year old Johnny play in the street with his friends but it becomes a bad parenting decision when the car runs him over.

Lets take for example, parents who choose to sleep in the same bed as their young children. Yes the risks are small (just as they were with Madeleine McCann), but they are still there. 100 kids a year in the US suffocate in this way. Yet many people on here are saying that they wouldn't do ANYTHING that could potentially affect the safety of their child. So when does it become a good or a bad parenting decision?

 

[tip top]

...coming in late to thread, but anyway....

Parents make parenting decisions all the time. But it seems to me that it only becomes a bad decision when the consequences are known. But how can you know in advance? You take the decision to let seven year old Johnny play in the street with his friends but it becomes a bad parenting decision when the car runs him over.

Lets take for example, parents who choose to sleep in the same bed as their young children. Yes the risks are small (just as they were with Madeleine McCann), but they are still there. 100 kids a year in the US suffocate in this way. Yet many people on here are saying that they wouldn't do ANYTHING that could potentially affect the safety of their child. So when does it become a good or a bad parenting decision?

It becomes bad parenting when you leave a minor on their own, in a hotel room, in a foreign country whilst you go out to enjoy yourself.

The thought of my kids on their own like that does actually make me feel sick.

 

[Brovion]

Blimey.

As others who have posted here, I don't agree with Starry's views on this most emotive of discussions - I made that perfectly clear on other threads on this subject, which is why I steered clear here.

However, for anyone to use such a difference of opinion to make disgusting comments on the memorial pages of Starry's daughter is truly sickening. This board logs the IP address of each and every post made and it goes without saying that if at all possible I will assist in identifying whether these comments came from an NSC member. Needless to say, if they are found to originate from an NSC member you will no longer be welcome here.

Well said Bozza, my sentiments exactly.

 

[John Dorian]

Starry, if you are aiming that at him, then you are very much mistaken.

I'm very sorry that you had posts on your daughter's website, and i hope that you find whoever it was that wrote it on there. Please don't remove the website from your signature, as it has been really interesting to hear about personal experiences of your loss, and i'm sure because of it, people have signed up to donate bone marrow & blood.

Yes. This is true. I donated blood for the first time last month after reading Starry's posts and looking at the website.

As for the whole madeleine case, something doesnt ring true when it comes to the parents for me. People will go to great lengths to try and cover up a murder, be it a mistake or not.

 

[Shegull]

What has happened to the good old family holidays. It seems to be that there should be a time for everything and a family holiday should be just that. Most people work very hard nowadays and children are put into creches or childminders - which is fine because thats the way life is going - it has to be done to maybe make ends meet or to buy the little extra luxuries that we all like. But surely to god parents can put aside two weeks out of the year to spend some time with their children and forget about socialising with friends that they see all the time at home anyway. Would it really have been too much for the mccanns to go away on holidays with their three children, enjoy trips or swimming or whatever they might do during the day and then go out for something to eat at night have a glass or two of wine - and do as many a parent would do and bring a buggy for the children to take a nap in if they get tired. It is not unheard of for people to bring a bit of drink into the apartment and have a nice quite relaxing drink while the children played or slept SAFELY in their beds.

If I was Madeline and was found safe and well - in later life when the reality of what happened to me hit home I don't think I could ever forgive them for what they put me through.

I am sorry but it makes my blood boil to see what they have done and then get a tour of europe on the strength of it.

Now I will just sit back and wait to be slated.

 

[Shegull]

wonder how long before the book comes out

There's already an "exclusive" in a magazine.

 

[John Dorian]

What has happened to the good old family holidays. It seems to be that there should be a time for everything and a family holiday should be just that. Most people work very hard nowadays and children are put into creches or childminders - which is fine because thats the way life is going - it has to be done to maybe make ends meet or to buy the little extra luxuries that we all like. But surely to god parents can put aside two weeks out of the year to spend some time with their children and forget about socialising with friends that they see all the time at home anyway. Would it really have been too much for the mccanns to go away on holidays with their three children, enjoy trips or swimming or whatever they might do during the day and then go out for something to eat at night have a glass or two of wine - and do as many a parent would do and bring a buggy for the children to take a nap in if they get tired. It is not unheard of for people to bring a bit of drink into the apartment and have a nice quite relaxing drink while the children played or slept SAFELY in their beds.

If I was Madeline and was found safe and well - in later life when the reality of what happened to me hit home I don't think I could ever forgive them for what they put me through.

I am sorry but it makes my blood boil to see what they have done and then get a tour of europe on the strength of it.

Now I will just sit back and wait to be slated.

I completely agree with you. Whilst no-one deserves what has happened in these circumstances, you can't help but think that without the blatant negligence of these two people, this would never have happened and little maddie would be in England with her family.

I'm not sure everything is how it seems. Why was only Maddie taken and the other two children left behind ?

 

[London Calling]

...coming in late to thread, but anyway....

Parents make parenting decisions all the time. But it seems to me that it only becomes a bad decision when the consequences are known. But how can you know in advance? You take the decision to let seven year old Johnny play in the street with his friends but it becomes a bad parenting decision when the car runs him over.

Lets take for example, parents who choose to sleep in the same bed as their young children. Yes the risks are small (just as they were with Madeleine McCann), but they are still there. 100 kids a year in the US suffocate in this way. Yet many people on here are saying that they wouldn't do ANYTHING that could potentially affect the safety of their child. So when does it become a good or a bad parenting decision?

When Society norms tell you that babies should never be left on their own, when all Social Services in this country will treat a child of 3 and under left on their own as neglect and have the power to report it to the Police,

when common sense tells you that if you really love and care for your children, you stay with them and not party with your friends. The McCanns are not free to do their own stuff any more, they have ( 3) children to care and protect.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

The Times reported yeasterday that as well as the "blood" traces on the walls, there was also evidence of a corpse having lain inj the room...I havent seen this reported in other media, has anyone else?

Starry, I dont know what was posted on your memorial site, but if it was upsetting in any way whoever it was should be utterly ashamed of themselves, and I hope Bozza is able to nail them.

 

[Simster]

Blimey.

As others who have posted here, I don't agree with Starry's views on this most emotive of discussions - I made that perfectly clear on other threads on this subject, which is why I steered clear here.

However, for anyone to use such a difference of opinion to make disgusting comments on the memorial pages of Starry's daughter is truly sickening. This board logs the IP address of each and every post made and it goes without saying that if at all possible I will assist in identifying whether these comments came from an NSC member. Needless to say, if they are found to originate from an NSC member you will no longer be welcome here.

What he said.

I too disagree with Starry's views but that is absolutely disgraceful behaviour. I hope it turns out to be a silly kid (whether from this site or not) because I'd hate to think there are grown ups on NSC who think that is acceptable behaviour.