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[NMH]

Just a personal curiosity really.

I'd guess you're quite old though as in general its the older generation who hold such intolerant views as you've expressed.

Of course the upside of that is that as they die out their views die with them, they are replaced by a younger generation who are in general more tolerant and over time the world becomes a better place as a result.

Its much the same as with racism, sexism etc...a key part of why attitudes towards these have changed over the last few decades is that the owners of the more 'traditional', intransigent attitudes have literally died out and the younger generation are more used to, and accepting of, the diverse world into which they are being born.

It's nothing personal at all, just human evolution at work.

Racism and sexism do not relate. Being a race and being a sex are natural, not decisions away from what is natural. In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

I'm not saying consenting adults should not do whatever they wish together in their own homes and I'm not demonstrating against gays.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Racism and sexism do not relate. Being a race and being a sex are natural, not decisions away from what is natural. In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

I'm not saying consenting adults should not do whatever they wish together in their own homes and I'm not demonstrating against gays.

There is much evidence that foetuses can get erections in the womb.

 

[El Presidente]

They can't have the magic God bit, because that magic God apparently hates them and the priest does too. .

Bit harsh on the priest, he does love same sex relationships..................provided the other party is non-consenting and under 16.

 

[El Presidente]

No no, I am not claiming they are a "different species" at all. What I am saying is that for two people of the same sex to combine in marriage is tantamount to a marriage of a man or woman, to a goat or horse. It's my regard that marriage wasn't supposed to be used for any of those unions.
I am not comparing humans to other species - I am comparing the situations with marriage involved.
IF as is stated by other posters, the marriage provides for these couples to enjoy financial benefits, then I have the issue with that too - because I don't see marriage as being for that purpose either, that's just socially acceded benefits for what has become a 'family unit', but does not relate to the union/bond as I see it.

Surely marriage is simply a vehicle in which two people want to commit themselves to each other, and for this to be public knowledge. As far as I am aware, goats and horses rarely express such love for each other.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

As far as I am aware, goats and horses rarely express such love for each other.

But they would definitely make for a good stable relationship.

 

[Frutos]

In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

Your opinion is wrong, anachronistic and offensive.

 

[El Presidente]

but they would definitely make for a good stable relationship.

zing!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

Assuming you're right that babies are born without any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings how does that mean that sexuality is a choice ? I didn't get to my teens and sit down and ponder if I wanted to be straight or gay. On what evidence do you base your opinion that sexuality is a choice ? That's bonkers ! It's a choice if you act upon your sexuality but you certainly don't choose it. If it was a choice why do so many gay people hide their sexuality and think long and hard about coming out ? Surely it would be easier just to change their mind and choose to be straight ?

 

[El Presidente]

Your opinion is wrong, anachronistic and offensive.

One can only assume that NMH also finds blowjobs, reacharounds, soapy titwanks, Cleveland Steamers, Guatemalan Tacos, DVDA's, teabagging, hairy handshakes, bagpiping, spit roasts, Ghandi's flip-flops and other common sexual activities offensive too, so I feel sorry for his partner.

Put him on your ignore list.

 

[El Presidente]

Assuming you're right that babies are born without any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings how does that mean that sexuality is a choice ? I didn't get to my teens and sit down and ponder if I wanted to be straight or gay. On what evidence do you base your opinion that sexuality is a choice ? That's bonkers ! It's a choice if you act upon your sexuality but you certainly don't choose it. If it was a choice why do so many gay people hide their sexuality and think long and hard about coming out ? Surely it would be easier just to change their mind and choose to be straight ?

Exactly, if it is a choice, why does homosexuality feature in so many species?. I find it highly unlikely that a horse or a penguin wakes up one morning, and suddenly thinks, 'bollocks to a sardine sandwich this morning, what I really want is some cock".

 

[El Presidente]

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

But they would definitely make for a good stable relationship.

Way-Hay.

Classic. Mr Rapper.

 

[Simster]

Racism and sexism do not relate. Being a race and being a sex are natural, not decisions away from what is natural. In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

I'm not saying consenting adults should not do whatever they wish together in their own homes and I'm not demonstrating against gays.

Sorry to piss on your chips but homosexual behaviour has been observed in around 1,500 animal species, which would suggest that a) it is not a choice in the animal world and b) it is perfectly natural for a minority of any of these given species to be homesexual.

Ultimately, you're just homophobic and intolerant.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Exactly, if it is a choice, why does homosexuality feature in so many species?. I find it highly unlikely that a horse or a penguin wakes up one morning, and suddenly thinks, 'bollocks to a sardine sandwich this morning, what I really want is some cock".

The idea that a horse would ever decide on a sardine sandwich is quite frankly disgusting !

 

[NMH]

One can only assume that NMH also finds blowjobs, reacharounds, soapy titwanks, Cleveland Steamers, Guatemalan Tacos, DVDA's, teabagging, hairy handshakes, bagpiping, spit roasts, Ghandi's flip-flops and other common sexual activities offensive too, so I feel sorry for his partner.

Put him on your ignore list.

Leave my opinion for me to express, moron.

 

[NMH]

Sorry to piss on your chips but homosexual behaviour has been observed in around 1,500 animal species, which would suggest that a) it is not a choice in the animal world and b) it is perfectly natural for a minority of any of these given species to be homesexual.

Ultimately, you're just homophobic and intolerant.

Sorry to piss on your chips but marriage doesn't concern animals.
Since this does put marriage into the category of unnatural acts, why bother with it at all? Who thought it up, who does it bendfit and why?

 

[Simster]

Sorry to piss on your chips but marriage doesn't concern animals.
Since this does put marriage into the category of unnatural acts, why bother with it at all? Who thought it up, who does it bendfit and why?

I didn't say that it does. I merely responded to this post:

Racism and sexism do not relate. Being a race and being a sex are natural, not decisions away from what is natural. In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

I'm not saying consenting adults should not do whatever they wish together in their own homes and I'm not demonstrating against gays.

You weren't talking about marriage. Your post indicated that you do not agree that homophobia could be considered the same as racism or sexism, on the grounds that race and sex are both a) natural and b) not a choice. The point I am making is that homosexual activity is seen widely in the animal kingdom, which suggests that they too are natural and inherent, which in turn suggests that you are completely wrong.

 

[brightn'ove]

Racism and sexism do not relate. Being a race and being a sex are natural, not decisions away from what is natural. In my opinion, nobody is born gay. I don't believe it's very likely that any babies are born with any concept of sexuality or sexual feelings - it's a choice.

I'm not saying consenting adults should not do whatever they wish together in their own homes and I'm not demonstrating against gays.

In my opinion, the sky isn't blue.

That doesn't change the fact that the sky is blue.

 

[Acker79]

My My, reading all of this people are getting their knickers in a twist!
Marriage = over 2,000 years of belief and religion in the 'definition' being couples that can procreate for the species.
No argument. No nothing. History and it's teaching tell us all, in any country, at any time, that 'Marriage' as a definition is between procreating partners without the help of scientific aid to be surrogates. FACT
Who is forcing their argument on whom here? after 2,000 years+?
I aint no homophobe, I'll be right up straight..... I'll enjoy anything if its good!
However, the word 'Gay' has already been hijacked and now the meaning of 'Marriage'!
Be happy to lobby for same sex couples rights to be the same as hetro couples in law, fair do but, not under religious definition.
That, for me, is riding over the edge under the definition of hypocrisy!

Aren't facts supposed to be... y'know... true?

Marriage is thought to pre-date recorded history ("recorded history" starting around 4000 BC, over 6000 years ago). Also to suggest religion started 2000 years ago, because that's when christ was born is offensively arrogant.

Marriage is also not the exclusive domain of religion, and has occurred for a number of reasons (legal, social, libidinal, emotional, economic, spiritual, and religious). The word itself has it's roots in latin and simply means 'to take as husband or wife', which can equally apply to same sex marriages.

 

[Acker79]

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