Obama becomes the first president in history

[Buzzer]

All this talk of nature reminds me of a Viz letter once: "My wife says I'm an animal but how many animals do you know would lie underneath a glass coffee-table wanking furiously whilst the next door neighbour's wife had a shit on it?"

Makes you think, doesn't it?

 

[Questions]

Nice response !

So let me ask you a direct question - given sexuality is a choice ( according to you ), when did you sit down and weigh up whether YOU wanted to be straight, gay or bi-sexual ? And how did you make the decision ?

He chose heterosexuality.
He was too ugly to be gay.

 

[sydney]

have any of you been to a gay marriage..? i've been to two during my years in sydney.......had a lot of gay mates , been to a lot of gay clubs , always had a good laugh and took the banter as it came , at the end of the day we all just want to be happy ........if you want to be happy , go and get married.........simples.

 

[sydney]

All this talk of nature reminds me of a Viz letter once: "My wife says I'm an animal but how many animals do you know would lie underneath a glass coffee-table wanking furiously whilst the next door neighbour's wife had a shit on it?"

Makes you think, doesn't it?

that is by far the best post on this thread...

 

[El Presidente]

All this talk of nature reminds me of a Viz letter once: "My wife says I'm an animal but how many animals do you know would lie underneath a glass coffee-table wanking furiously whilst the next door neighbour's wife had a shit on it?"

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Had she run out of Mr Sheen?

 

[pastafarian]

so was NMH banned for his viewpoint on this thread? or something else?

i found his arguments rather daft but its the same sort of stuff you hear day in day out from all the religious groups.

i hope he wasnt banned simply because he had an opinion that doesnt fit the current social norm

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

so was NMH banned for his viewpoint on this thread? or something else?

i found his arguments rather daft but its the same sort of stuff you hear day in day out from all the religious groups.

i hope he wasnt banned simply because he had an opinion that doesnt fit the current social norm

Nothing in Moderating Decisions about it. It might have been that he was saying he was trolling.

 

[El Presidente]

Nothing in Moderating Decisions about it. It might have been that he was saying he was trolling.

I think he claimed that I was trolling for lampooning his dinosaur style ideas.

Given that he knows who some of the gay posters are on NSC his comments were pretty foul IMO.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

What about the Cathoilics and non conformists- couldn't they get legally married before 1837?

When I first posted my comment about the Church of England's "monopoly" on marriage ceremonies in England and Wales before 1837, I wondered a bit about whether it was relevant to this discussion. But it is.

We are talking about whether or not The Law should recognise gay marriages. There seems to be no argument about whether The Law should recognise marriage. It obviously does. A marriage is a marriage if it is recognised as such by the State. Before 1837, the State only recognised marriages that took place in the Church of England. And Catholics and non-conformists had to be married in the Church of England, regardless of any "religious" issues that might have been around. A church wedding was a State ceremony. The Church of England was (and still is) the "Established Church". Ordained C of E priests are automatically qualified and enrolled as Registrars of Marriages, recognised in law.

The issue in England is whether or not The State can require its Registrars of Marriages to officiate at weddings between folk who do not sign up to the particular teachings of the Church of England. My point is that, before 1837, The State DID make that requirement. There's nothing new, therefore, in the idea that The State might impose its own rules on an Established Church that, in a religious sense, might choose to reject or dispute the personal beliefs of some non-members.

I grant that this isn't quite the same as the debate about the US president's views. But it's relevant to Cameron's recently expressed "support for gay marriage".

 

[um bongo molongo]

Marriage is a religious sacrament. That is what it is. The sacrament of marriage. I'm not saying that this is what I believe it should be. It's just what it is.

So, as a straight atheist who despises religion and the bigotry that resides in those who hide behind it, am I too not allowed to get married under your rules?

 

[dingodan]

So, as a straight atheist who despises religion and the bigotry that resides in those who hide behind it, am I too not allowed to get married under your rules?

You are allowed to do what you want and call it what you want. You are just not allowed to compel me with the force of law to accept your definition of marriage.

And if you believe that a person should be able to use the force of law to force their definition of marriage on others, you empower those who would forbid gay marriage, not just those who want to defend it.

Liberty is the answer.

 

[fataddick]

Anyone stupid enough to want to get married should be allowed to. But shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere near the rest of us. They should turn all UK offshore islands (eg Anglesey, Wight, Canvey, Scilly, Orkney, Falklands, etc) into holding camps for marrieds and the marrying kind, imho. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[Frutos]

You are allowed to do what you want and call it what you want. You are just not allowed to compel me with the force of law to accept your definition of marriage.

And if you believe that a person should be able to use the force of law to force their definition of marriage on others, you empower those who would forbid gay marriage, not just those who want to defend it.

Liberty is the answer.

Christ, how full of empty political bullshit are you?

You talk so much, yet say so little.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Anyone stupid enough to want to get married should be allowed to. But shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere near the rest of us. They should turn all UK offshore islands (eg Anglesey, Wight, Canvey, Scilly, Orkney, Falklands, etc) into holding camps for marrieds and the marrying kind, imho. Out of sight, out of mind.

A couple have moved in next door to me. I suspect they're married. What should I do about it?

 

[pastafarian]

A couple have moved in next door to me. I suspect they're married. What should I do about it?

knock on the door and politely ask if they are married.
but go tooled up just in case they give the wrong answer.

 

[Mellotron]

i found his arguments rather daft but its the same sort of stuff you hear day in day out from all the religious groups.

I'm a Christian, and I couldn't agree LESS with his viewpoints. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush. Everyone has a unique viewpoint.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

 

[The Large One]

You are allowed to do what you want and call it what you want. You are just not allowed to compel me with the force of law to accept your definition of marriage.

And if you believe that a person should be able to use the force of law to force their definition of marriage on others, you empower those who would forbid gay marriage, not just those who want to defend it.

Liberty is the answer.

Never in the field of human conflict was so much spoken by so few meaning so little.

 

[Simster]

Christ, how full of empty political bullshit are you?

You talk so much, yet say so little.

Never in the field of human conflict was so much spoken by so few meaning so little.

Very much these. Pseudo-intellectual drivel, with the emphasis on pseudo (and drivel).

 

[pastafarian]

I'm a Christian, and I couldn't agree LESS with his viewpoints. Please don't tar everyone with the same brush. Everyone has a unique viewpoint.

ill rephrase to keep you happy.

i found his arguments rather daft but its the same sort of stuff you hear day in day out from many stone age bigoted moronic religious groups......but not all.