Obama becomes the first president in history

[Storer 68]

The Church of England is in no position to object to secular marriages. Up until the early 19th century, the State required ALL legal marriages in England and Wales to take place in the Church of England and to be registered by the Church of England which was, in effect, a branch of the State. They lost their monopoly when civil registration was introduced in 1837. They are not going to get it back.

What about the Cathoilics and non conformists- couldn't they get legally married before 1837?

 

[Storer 68]

I think Obama has probably just commited political suicide as you succinctly put it. There is a very large bible belt in America and they will not be best pleased with a president that throws away their beliefs and ideolgy that has supported them throughout their own lives for the sake of Obamas' standing with those they will consider 'fringe societies'

they don't vote for democrats in the bible belt. Its not known as red neck republican country for nothing.

This will appeal to the West coast libertines, the east Coast money and ignore the working class middle of America. don't think being gay is a helpful thing in Des Moines

 

[daveinprague]

Whenever there is some sort of gay scandal in American pollitics, it always seems to be Republicans, the very people who shout about it the most....

The whole thing is ridiculous, why people are concerned about what other people do in their bedrooms is beyond me. If youre gay, youre gay... youre not going to find too many heterosexual people 'becoming' gay due to it 'spreading'... (im assuming thats the fear) so really, its a ridiculous state of affairs.

 

[Questions]

He,ll upset folk over this....


Jim: [consoling Bart] "What did you expect ? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

 

[NMH]

I have married two people as the administrator in a semi-religious ceremony (some Jewish customs were partaken of, but they wrote much of their own vows), in Santa Barbara California.
It was disappointing that their marriage ended quite soon and in acrimony.

I struggle with the concept of two homosexuals marrying because it seems as strange as a human marrying something outside of their own species. However I still wonder whether it might be comparitively better should gay partners be more devoted and respectful towards each other than many heterosexuals.

 

[NMH]

I can see it now;

"do you, Mr Bum, take Mr Bandit to be your lawful wedded husband?" - "I now pronounce you husband and husband, Mister and Mister Bum-Bandit"

(cue wedding song)..... BLIND GUARDIAN MR. SANDMAN Lyrics changes from version 1 to 2

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The thing is, is that marriage also holds economic benefits, such as better insurance plans, tax breaks, among others. In my opinion, if marriage is going to hold those benefits, it shouldn't have to be a religious affair.

What tax breaks would these be then ?

 

[dingodan]

So if a heterosexual couple have a ceremony in a registry office and conducted by a registrar, they aren't married because it wasn't a religious ceremony?

Marriage is a religious sacrament. That is what it is. The sacrament of marriage. I'm not saying that this is what I believe it should be. It's just what it is.

 

[DTES]

I struggle with the concept of two homosexuals marrying because it seems as strange as a human marrying something outside of their own species.

I assume you are trolling with this?!

 

[Acker79]

Marriage is a religious sacrament. That is what it is. The sacrament of marriage. I'm not saying that this is what I believe it should be. It's just what it is.

That is what one group of people say it is. Marriage has long been a part of many different cultures (it is believed to pre-date recorded history, i.e. pre-dating recognised religion), and has as many different definitions.

 

[Acker79]

 

[banjo]

Not surprised.

 

[Frutos]

Marriage is a religious sacrament. That is what it is. The sacrament of marriage. I'm not saying that this is what I believe it should be. It's just what it is.

So what do you call a union between two heterosexual people conducted in a secular setting? The law calls it marriage, so are you saying that the law is wrong?

 

[dingodan]

That is what one group of people say it is. Marriage has long been a part of many different cultures (it is believed to pre-date recorded history, i.e. pre-dating recognised religion), and has as many different definitions.

Yes and traditionally and historically it has been a religious/spiritual ceremony.

But if someone else wants to stand on an elephants back and juggle watermelons and call that marriage that is entirely their business. As long as they don't presume that they can force me to accept their definition of marriage, in exactly the same way that I cannot force my definition on them (nor would I want to).

 

[dingodan]

Duplicate post

 

[dingodan]

So what do you call a union between two heterosexual people conducted in a secular setting? The law calls it marriage, so are you saying that the law is wrong?

Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. If someone expects that they should be able to force others to accept their view, then they become wrong.

 

[Acker79]

Yes and traditionally and historically it has been a religious/spiritual ceremony.

But if someone else wants to stand on an elephants back and juggle watermelons and call that marriage that is entirely their business. As long as they don't presume that they can force me to accept their definition of marriage, in exactly the same way that I cannot force my definition on them (nor would I want to).

Yes, you are. Anyone who denies gays the right to marriage are forcing their definition of marriage on people.

This isn't about giving a word whatever definition you want. It's about the variety of forms of unions between people in a range of cultures that are each defined as marriage. It's not calling a motorbike 'bubble and squeak', it's recognising that there is more than one recipe for bubble and squeak, and not banning people from making their own version of bubble and squeak because you don't agree with their recipe.

 

[Frutos]

Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. If someone expects that they should be able to force others to accept their view, then they become wrong.

My view is that discrimination on the grounds of sexuality is wrong, you appear to disagree with that but just won't say so.

If you're anti gay-marriage, at least have the courage of your convictions and say so.

 

[Acker79]

Nobody is wrong and nobody is right. If someone expects that they should be able to force others to accept their view, then they become wrong.

Pro-gay marriage: "consenting adults should be allowed to marry whichever other consenting adults they chose to, in accordance with their own views of marriage and culture etc"

anti-gay marriage: "we have a definition of marriage as "1man + 1woman" nothing else is acceptable to us, and we want this set in law"

Which side is 'forcing others to accept their view'?

 

[NMH]

I assume you are trolling with this?!

I didn't say it was wrong - just comparable.
Man Marries Sheep - ModernGhana.com
Human–animal marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Man marries pet dog in wedding ceremony in Australia - New York Daily News
Man widowed after his goat 'wife' chokes to death | Mail Online