North Stand Standing - message from removed fan

[Albumen]

No.

The point is that HUNDREDS of fans stand up in the North Stand - and not just in the back four rows. Why has THIS fan been singled out for a ban?

There's probably no reason at all ......

 

[TheFatBallBoy]

Really can't see crowds ever getting as low as 13000 in the lifetime of the stadium.

The arrogance is astounding

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The arrogance is astounding

Thank you. Not arrogance, a genuine viewpoint based on reasons detailed in an earlier post.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Back in 83 me and Pat Hoole joined half the students of BHASVIC queueing outside the Goldstone for cup final replay tickets. Unlike everyone else it seems we were entirely honest about where we were and consequently we were made an example of. In hindsight the punishment wasn't that bad, although I was under threat of expulsion.


Would I have done this again? you bet, but I also would have been a lot smarter about picking my battles. People may not like the stewarding, but when asked why not just queitly sit down until they have passed ? They have then done their job and you can simply stand again and get on with watching the game. You don't even need to acknowledge their presence.

Aseros has been fairly confrontational on this thread, but to a degree he has a point. I am not sure why passion has to equate to behaving like a stroppy teenager (with apologies to all the well adjusted teens on here). It literally changes nothing and whilst I have sympathy with the view that people should be allowed to stand at football, I don't have much interest in supporting martyrs versus the stewards.

 

[Winker]

The problem is, most of the people here find they are above everybody else, or perhaps don't get on too well in the 'real world' and want to make themselves seem tough on an internet forum. Hence why you find a lot of complaints here. People are also well known for twisting a story to suit their agenda. You may sometimes notice that it appears key details are missed out of stories which beg for sympathy and which invariably make the stewards seem bad.

Really? Other posters on here have an irritating 'Holier than thou' attitude who come across as joyless pricks...

 

[T soprano]

I think it might be a good idea of keeping the north west corner not for sale , the stadium is never gonna be a complete sell out ( maybe if in prem for 5/6 games a season against top 6 teams ) so when you arrive in the north you head over to that allocated corner for standing so all the singers and people that want to stand are lumped together enjoying themselves creating an atmos while the others who still want to create an atmos but like to sit down can do so , everybody's happy that way

EDIT
ITs pretty much what people were doing in the north stand on Saturday anyway

 

[KZNSeagull]

No.

The point is that HUNDREDS of fans stand up in the North Stand - and not just in the back four rows. Why has THIS fan been singled out for a ban?

Must be more to it. From the video posted above, most people in the North Stand were standing up. We are only hearing one side of the story, rather like the BigBelly thread.

 

[k2bluesky]

I wonder how many of the around 50000 Man Utd fans that stood for the entire game against Real Madrid got a banning order

This 100%, if the football authorities are so worried about standing (which is presumably why BHA stewards are being so over the top at some games) then having half the ground standing during the biggest Uk game in years, which is also televised around the world is not sending a good message and could possibly be used in a legal challenge.
The 'powers' that be have to face they will NEVER get everyone to sit, especially behind the goals, which have always been traditional standing/singing areas, all they will do is ban a few people who will be replaced by more who want to stand and sing.

 

[Giraffe]

The North Stand situation is a joke. Virtually every away game I have gone to there are areas of the home support standing.

At Cardiff the whole of one stand for the length of the pitch was standing. At Leicester last season the same. Bristol, all standing next to us. Over and over again other grounds are allowing standing, and yet for some reason the club are getting tough on our fans.

So what is the point? It certainly isn't a safety issue. It certainly isn't because they have been warned by the football league or FA because then what are other clubs doing.

It is just a total waste of everyone's time and resources and is alienating long term supporters of the club.

 

[reigate]

Interesting to see whether the club is still as happy to hand out bans to long term customers a few years down the line when we're back in the Championship with crowds of 12000-13000. My guess is they probably won't be.

To be fair, they banned me for something simialr when we were getting about 6000 at Withdean.

 

[Insel affe]

Question

Manchester United v Real Madrid live on tv you could clearly see an entire whole end stood up.

Do Manchester United get fined for that ?

Do they get away with it because it is Manchester United ?

I am not picking on Manchester United it is just that it was so visable.

 

[Aseros]

I think it might be a good idea of keeping the north west corner not for sale , the stadium is never gonna be a complete sell out ( maybe if in prem for 5/6 games a season against top 6 teams ) so when you arrive in the north you head over to that allocated corner for standing so all the singers and people that want to stand are lumped together enjoying themselves creating an atmos while the others who still want to create an atmos but like to sit down can do so , everybody's happy that way

Having everybody in a 'free for all' to move to an allocated standing area will be unsafe.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Is this true? Are they on the record as saying this?

I think he's referring to a single case that was taken to the FSF and the report from the FSF was highly critical of the club and how it dealt with bans and appeals. There is a thread on here somewhere that had a link directly to the report but I can't for the life of me find it.

No, when it comes to standing here, most people like to make stuff up.

Just like you appear to do !

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I don't see what's so hard about the rule. Sit down. Stand up when something happens, then sit down again.

What I absolutely can't understand is why ONE person can get a ban for it. I'd ask the club why nobody in the away end was ejected. Ask them to detail just why nothing was done about the other 1000 people on their feet. Use the word DISCRIMINATION. That should warrant a response.

 

[Aseros]

Just like you appear to do !

When did I make anything up? It is known that standing isn't allowed in the stadium at all.

 

[DJ Leon]

So the OP's mate knows that standing is against the rules, but as everyone always does it, he thinks he shouldn't be punished for it.

I'm sorry, but I don't get it.

I don't like the 70 mph speed limit either, I break it and so does everyone else. If I get nicked for it though my defence to the police isn't that I've been unfairly treated.

If a steward asks you to sit down and you know it's against the rules, my advice is to sit OR don't whinge if you do get singled out for punishment.

If fans want to campaign for safe standing or any change in the rules I'm all for that. But whinging about being punished for breaking the rules is pointless. You won't get anywhere with an appeal either, because everyone else is doing it is no defence.

 

[T soprano]

Having everybody in a 'free for all' to move to an allocated standing area will be unsafe.

I think you're on a wind up tbh
But in Reply to your post every away game people divide into 2 groups those who want to stand to sing with their mates and those who want to sit down and sing if they feel like it , so what's unsafe about that

 

[Aseros]

I think you're on a wind up tbh
But in Reply to your post every away game people divide into 2 groups those who want to stand to sing with their mates and those who want to sit down and sing if they feel like it , so what's unsafe about that

What happens if 3/4 of the North Stand want to stand? They all then move over into this section, which is far smaller than the North Stand, how is that not unsafe? You then end up with a a half empty North Stand.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No.

The point is that HUNDREDS of fans stand up in the North Stand - and not just in the back four rows. Why has THIS fan been singled out for a ban?

I can't comment on why this particular fan was singled out but it is a method of crowd control and enforcement used the world over. How exactly would the club eject say 200 fans in one go ? It just isn't possible. What they do is try and pinpoint key people and eject them in the hope that will encourage others to behave how the club want. It's no different to any other situation with large crowds - in a riot the police don't arrest every single person, they go for ring leaders and if they can they catch other people later.

So the club have two choices - either allow a free for all or attempt to enforce the rules by making examples of people.

What are the suggestions of those that are claiming the club are picking on individuals to how the club should eject all people standing ? Stating "standing should be allowed" isn't currently an option either.

*** And for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not supporting either option or commenting on the gentleman that was ejected ***

 

[Westdene Seagull]

When did I make anything up? It is known that standing isn't allowed in the stadium at all.

You stated that the post suggesting the club had been criticised by the FSF was made up - it wasn't.