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Following Mrs May efforts can't see another female from any party in the next ten years
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[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party
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Following Mrs May efforts can't see another female from any party in the next ten years
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Just another game,top games are against the leading clubs
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So May was a woman and May was bad means that the next woman will be bad as well?
Blair's appeal was attracting newer Labour voters in the south AND traditional Labour voters in the north - it's those traditional ones in the north that Labour has to get back.
I think the Blair effect is exaggerated. Yes, he won heavily but he won after four successive Tory governments - and the final one had been mired in scandal, one that saw two prominent Tories sent to prison. It also had its record of financial competence hit by Black Wednesday - quite honestly, a Corbyn-led party could have won that election - not by such a landslide it's true, but the Tories were in a parlous state and needed putting out of their misery,
Yes, the LDs got an increased share of the vote but that was coming off the back of a couple of poor performances, a percentage increase is always going to be higher. I was also thinking of its historical record, the LDs (and the Liberals before them) have been a centre party for a century and haven't once formed a government in that time.
After some reflection, I feel Corbyn staying on as leader is on balance a bad idea; the debate about what went wrong would be more open without him.... and Labour in-fighting is just food and drink for the tory faithful.
I write in support of a robust opposition which we need for effective democracy, not as a Labour supporter.
I write in support of a robust opposition which we need for effective democracy, not as a Labour supporter.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Bring back ( Chaos with ) Ed Miliband as interim leader while they elect someone new !
Well I don't think it's a coincidence that Blair is the only Labour man to win a General Election since March 1974!
There's nothing in recent history to suggest that England and Wales will vote in a socialist government.
Blair happened to be leader then. If John Smith hadn't died, he'd have been the only Labour man to win a GE since 1974 (it was in October not March, the earlier one didn't give a majority). As I said, the Tory party was in such a state any Labour leader would have won it. No party since universal suffrage has won five elections in a row - even if the Conservatives hadn't made a cock-up of it, history was against them.
And as for England and Wales not voting for a Labour government, I'll repeat that: No party since universal suffrage has won five elections in a row It's a big ask for any party to keep winning but Labour has to win back its traditional seats
Just as long as BP ( and similar companies ) pay the tax they should ( unlike Amazon and Google ) then there is benefit to them paying shareholders as anyone with a private pension ( nearly anyone working nowadays ) will benefit. There's too many people that think paying shareholders is a bad thing without realising THEY are a shareholder.
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The great majority of the shareholders will be institutional. There are plenty of people out there who have no share portfolio or little or no pension to speak of. It would be much better for society for these organisations to be paying tax in the countries they do business. (not a token amount to the government of the Lesser Antilles)
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You could draw up a list of Tory incompetence, misdemeanours and embarrassments from the mid 90s and I'm not sure it would outstrip what we've seen this time. The Tories still won
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
12.9m in 2017 might disagree. Blair polled '97 13.5m, '01 10.7m, '05 9.6m. Even in this nightmare result for Labour, with a so called toxic unpopular leader they have polled 10.3m votes.
Brexit, the SNP and other factors have changed the political landscape from a simplistic conclusion that the Labour Party needs to lurch to the right. The voters it has just lost in the Red Wall, have voted traditional for Labour through it's socialist policy agendas. London and the cities Labour still got votes for this election as it has from 18-35 year olds.
The problem isn't necessarily the policies, it is the credibility of delivery. A more considered approach, perhaps a more targeted message rather than the all-in tendency of this election.
Those institutions you mention buy the shares for work place pension schemes - something all workers ( barring a few exceptions ) are automatically signed up to. So millions of people are shareholders but indirectly.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
As a constituency MP she's worse than useless,a total nonentity,so she wouldn't be missed as leader of Labour.Some on here think she's good because she's a bit shouty on telly,but the only time I have seen her she was like a fish out of water and nobody knew who she was.
You're probably not her target audience.
So is Crispin Blunt in Reigate. Utterly invisible, gives bland answers to mail, and has one of the worst attendance records in parliament with only Sinn Fein and 3 other MPs turning up less.
Still, people in this constituency were happy to vote for him and his overall share of the vote fell by just 3%.
The state of politics in this country...
Two Professors
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Very true.It was our local Remembrance Parade,and the Padre called her up to lay her wreath as the local government representative.I think she had given up her councillor post but I'm not sure.
Anyone who is employed should now be auto enrolled in to a pension and their employer must pay a percentage of it. The contribution level is 8% which is split 5% employee and 3% employer.
Pension and share ownership will increase greatly in this country as a result.
There are, of course, other issues around this. Many of the tax avoiders are also gig econonmy employers who try to get around salaries with zero hours contracts and pensions with "self employed" staff.
In classic centerist style, I am therefore going to declare both you and Westdene right and both of you wrong. There would be far more money in the economy if we cut these tax loopholes out and zero hours contracts being made illegal would also put more people in to the pensions system. However, you would then need a high functioning capatalist econonmy for those pensions to be worth anything.
Ok, but every socialist leader of Labour since Wilson has LOST at a general election. (And even Wilson was moderate at the time, right?)
The only Labour leader the British electrorate has taken to in nearly 50 years is a 'socialist lite'.
You can argue that Blair had an easy win, but he gained power and stayed there.
Nobody is arguing that, but it needs to win over middle England too. Modern history suggests socialist policies won't do that.
These fiigures are meaningless without the turnout figures and size of the electorate. (Up something like 15% since the Blair years?)
Boris has terrible approval ratings too.
Can't disagree with this. Labour over-promise which loses them trust imo.