New legislation regulating pornography

[highflyer]

The key, as others have said, is education. As awkward as it may be for some parents, it's your responsibility to talk to your kids about sex (and these days porn in particular) from a pretty young age.

The fact is that they WILL see this stuff whether or not you try using "parental controls" or whatever the government attempts to ban.

So what you need to do is make it very clear to them that sex and porn are two different things and the stuff that they may see is not representative of most real life experiences.

It's not actually that difficult but it is the parent's responsibility, seeing as sex education in schools is useless and done too late.

All this argument about whether or not the government should be trying to censor the internet or not (they shouldn't obviously as it sets a very dangerous precedent) is actually irrelevant as it doesn't work.

The argument (from me) is not necessarily to 'censor' the stuff mentioned (though I would assume you and most others, maybe one exception, would agree certain things should be censored) but to increase the difficulty for children to access those things. There are plenty of things (including a lot of academic work that should really be in the public domain) that are on the internet but which you cannot access freely.

Sex education in schools is getting better - from what i have seen and heard. But should certainly be improved. In reality many parents will not do this well, so let's make sure all children do get as much of the information they need as possible.

 

[lawros left foot]

It genuinely worries me mate , I have told them hat it's not the stuff they should be looking at , I think after reading your post I might try explaining why in more detail , but we both know what 13 and 15 year old boys are like , I knew far better than my stupid parents at that age !

Yeah,and me, thankfully my three are older,all in their twenties, but it would really concern me if mine were the age of yours.
In the end, you have to have a certain amount of faith in the kids,and hope that you have brought them up to realise that some things on the net are just wrong.

 

[lawros left foot]

The argument (from me) is not necessarily to 'censor' the stuff mentioned (though I would assume you and most others, maybe one exception, would agree certain things should be censored) but to increase the difficulty for children to access those things. There are plenty of things (including a lot of academic work that should really be in the public domain) that are on the internet but which you cannot access freely.

Sex education in schools is getting better - from what i have seen and heard. But should certainly be improved. In reality many parents will not do this well, so let's make sure all children do get as much of the information they need as possible.

Haven't the Government tried to ban/censor the beheading footage posted by ISIS nutters? I think they are still easily available on the net, because ISIS want them to be available, and the same would be true of any banned sexual footage, if the poster wanted on the net,it would get on there.

 

[spring hall convert]

Three thoughts

a) It's unenforceable. Much like the attempts to block illegal downloading and streaming, whatever is done is easily circumnavigated. I'd imagine the people least likely to be stopped by this are under-18's.

b) To be totally frank, a lot of the targets here are more benign than conventional hardcore pornography. I have a far greater long-term concern surrounding young people being exposed to the fantasy world of female subjugation, than I do about bdsm, pissing or female ejaculation. It appears to be directed at the wrong target.

c) I thought we'd got past the stage where we as a society moralise about other people's legal sexual proclivity. 30 years ago this would have legislated against gay porn, I thought we'd moved on from making these sort of moral judgements.

 

[highflyer]

So the fact that something is difficult to eliminate on the net means we shouldn't try? Child porn?

But as I have said before I am not in favour of banning anything consensual. Really - up to you what you want to do/look at.
If it is all consensual and no one got harmed then Fill Your Boots (one of my favorite dvds as it happens)

But I am in favour of making it a little bit harder to access in order to reduce the likelihood of children viewing

 

[LlcoolJ]

So the fact that something is difficult to eliminate on the net means we shouldn't try? Child porn?

But as I have said before I am not in favour of banning anything consensual. Really - up to you what you want to do/look at.
If it is all consensual and no one got harmed then Fill Your Boots (one of my favorite dvds as it happens)

But I am in favour of making it a little bit harder to access in order to reduce the likelihood of children viewing

But this isn't what the legislation is attempting to do. It's saying "we've decided that these particular acts are wrong so we're going to try to stop you from seeing them".

How on Earth is this going to "protect children" from the very real effects of seeing lots of hardcore porn at a young age?

 

[highflyer]

But this isn't what the legislation is attempting to do. It's saying "we've decided that these particular acts are wrong so we're going to try to stop you from seeing them".

How on Earth is this going to "protect children" from the very real effects of seeing lots of hardcore porn at a young age?

Fair enough I did get dragged into a different argument over the course of the thread. I don't think viewing all of those acts should be illegal.
But one part of the proposal in the original post was to do with verifying your age.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Restricting my personal freedoms is my business.

But I could murder you perfectly freely if I made it my business? Interesting concept this libertarianism

 

[LlcoolJ]

The bill can be found here:

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/onlinesafety.html

Having just read all that I can confirm that this is one of the most pointless and stupid pieces of legislation ever attempted.

It's suitable for the Paul Raymond era of porn and doesn't take any account of how the internet works whatsoever.

Who comes up with this crap?!

I agree with El Pres that this has no chance of becoming law in it's present form.

 

[beorhthelm]

So the fact that something is difficult to eliminate on the net means we shouldn't try? Child porn?

But as I have said before I am not in favour of banning anything consensual. Really - up to you what you want to do/look at.
If it is all consensual and no one got harmed then Fill Your Boots (one of my favorite dvds as it happens)

so 16-17 yo can legally spank and ejaculate all over each other, but they cant watch others do it on t'interweb.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's a Libertarian position.

I don't believe alt-right would share the Libertarians views on gay marriage equality and legalisation of certain drugs, do you?

Children need protection from being abused. Casually seeing porn does is not abuse. Its in the same category as a parent letting their kids watch violent movies or play violent video games.

You might not like it, but it's none of yours or the Governments business.

Casually allowing a child to watch extreme and violent acts can be classed as neglect. The same can be said for explicit sex.

 

[highflyer]

so 16-17 yo can legally spank and ejaculate all over each other, but they cant watch others do it on t'interweb.

I am talking about 12 year olds, or even younger, watching violent, extreme and often (apparently) coercive sexual acts.
It is fairly common at the moment.
I am not OK with that.

 

[el punal]

Honestly, this is true. About five years ago I was out of work and perusing various job sites for suitable employment. Anyway, up pops this "vacancy" for work in adult entertainment. As far as I can remember it stated that the employer wanted people of any age, size, shape, beautiful, ugly or whatever to take part in, ahem!, adult films.

To this day I regret not applying as I had been successful in being recruited for more mundane employment. I just wonder how the interview would have gone, and whether there was a practical test, and what the on-job training was like. Oh well, not to be.

I suppose one good thing, the world has been spared from viewing my monstrous todger. You can now all sleep safely in your beds.

 

[fat old seagull]

I work with some people who organise a weekly Auction, specialising in house clearance stuff.

Every week there is at least one lot of absolute VINTAGE Grumble magazines. The kids of today just don't realise the GRIEF we had to go through back then, in order to PROCURE such material. From finding a friendly Newsagent, to befriending the one guy in the year who had a beard and could pass as 18, to the many hiding places in local parks we used to use.

The Holy Grail was staying at a friend's house and discovering his Dad's stash.
Happy. Days.

You knew my son

 

[clippedgull]

Honestly, this is true. About five years ago I was out of work and perusing various job sites for suitable employment. Anyway, up pops this "vacancy" for work in adult entertainment. As far as I can remember it stated that the employer wanted people of any age, size, shape, beautiful, ugly or whatever to take part in, ahem!, adult films.

To this day I regret not applying as I had been successful in being recruited for more mundane employment. I just wonder how the interview would have gone, and whether there was a practical test, and what the on-job training was like. Oh well, not to be.

I suppose one good thing, the world has been spared from viewing my monstrous todger. You can now all sleep safely in your beds.

 

[El Presidente]

I think there's a big difference between the noddy mags that we used to gawp at when teenagers 30-40 years ago, where there would be some naughty stories and a few flap shots, which inevitably be superglued together within a week or two, and the vast array of porn available today.

At least we could convince ourselves that the acts described in the reader's wives tales in Penthouse etc were feasible, and there was a natural barrier in having enough pocket money to afford to buy a niff book. Today most porn is available at zero marginal cost to the viewer, and within seconds you can be viewing DVDA or Belgian Biscuits, which, let's be honest, are not really part of a loving long term relationship...............unless you're German.

 

[highflyer]

I think there's a big difference between the noddy mags that we used to gawp at when teenagers 30-40 years ago, where there would be some naughty stories and a few flap shots, which inevitably be superglued together within a week or two, and the vast array of porn available today.

At least we could convince ourselves that the acts described in the reader's wives tales in Penthouse etc were feasible, and there was a natural barrier in having enough pocket money to afford to buy a niff book. Today most porn is available at zero marginal cost to the viewer, and within seconds you can be viewing DVDA or Belgian Biscuits, which, let's be honest, are not really part of a loving long term relationship...............unless you're German.

'DVDA and Belgian Biscuits' eh. You just made those up didn't you?

On the off chance you didn't then please don't explain as I suspect I don't want to know.

 

[whitelion]

I think there's a big difference between the noddy mags that we used to gawp at when teenagers 30-40 years ago, where there would be some naughty stories and a few flap shots, which inevitably be superglued together within a week or two, and the vast array of porn available today.

At least we could convince ourselves that the acts described in the reader's wives tales in Penthouse etc were feasible, and there was a natural barrier in having enough pocket money to afford to buy a niff book. Today most porn is available at zero marginal cost to the viewer, and within seconds you can be viewing DVDA or Belgian Biscuits, which, let's be honest, are not really part of a loving long term relationship...............unless you're German.

My education clearly isn't complete.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I think there's a big difference between the noddy mags that we used to gawp at when teenagers 30-40 years ago, where there would be some naughty stories and a few flap shots, which inevitably be superglued together within a week or two, and the vast array of porn available today.

At least we could convince ourselves that the acts described in the reader's wives tales in Penthouse etc were feasible, and there was a natural barrier in having enough pocket money to afford to buy a niff book. Today most porn is available at zero marginal cost to the viewer, and within seconds you can be viewing DVDA or Belgian Biscuits, which, let's be honest, are not really part of a loving long term relationship...............unless you're German.

We're all friends here, what's really wrong with watching a woman sucking off a horse? As long as they're both enjoying it obviously.

 

[clippedgull]

We need a General Erection to sort these Members of Porniament out!

Where's Big Willy Whitelaw when you need him?