Naylor Article on Barnes -"Get off his back"

[Braders]

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[Mr Bums]

Not good enough for St Dunstans reserve team. Get rid, I know a lot about football.

 

[Simster]

Not good enough for St Dunstans reserve team. Get rid, I know a lot about football.

Mr Bums!

 

[leigull]

I really hope that the majority of fans get right behind the lad and let him know that he's appreciated.

They do. It's just a number of people take great pride in shouting out as loud as possible "GERRR 'IM OFF POYET, HE'S USELESS". Which unfortunately gets perceived by people in and around the pitch as being the general consensus of fans. When it really isn't.

 

[Simster]

Was he a victim of the boo-boys ? I remember Paul Rogers was - or that could have been just the bloke sitting along from us.

It was always Dodge who got slaughtered on here, while Oatway ran around alot looking fierce, contributing half as much but being lauded because he was HARD.

 

[Acker79]

Some of those people cling onto their opinion still yet, Gritt. The bloke next to me constantly complains about us not getting the ball forward quickly enough - it's as if he's seen nothing of the last two years, even though he's there every game.

There was a guy near me who, during the cardiff game when we were 2-1 down was moaning that we were passing the ball around the back. "That's alright most of the time, but we need a goal, and we're never going to score playing that passing style"

Where in the Amex is the complaining coming from though? There certainly hasn't been any that I've heard around where I sit.

These threads tend to have lots of anecdotal evidence of it happening at the games. I've seen people talk about hearing it in the WSU, some admit to doing it. People have reported hearing it in the north stand, and I have heard it myself (mostly from the same bloke who I recounted above). It does happen at the ground. Where do you sit, though, cause if you're not hearing any barnes abuse I want to sit there, too.

I dont mean that, I speak from experaince with people i go with, some of us have played a decent standard and some are just followers, at the end of the game we have massive differances of opinions on what we have seen, i give you an example, I think it was the Leicester game, Ashley Barnes didnt score, but made some great covering headers when we were under pressure and some excellent coverage work which took key players out of the game. My friends said he had a poor game because he mis-placed 4 passes. My point is, the more you play football the more you are aware of the overall picture, what players are doing off the ball and the effort they put in, Gary Neville in his summarrsing on Sky is excellent at this.

I still think you're wrong. It has little to do with how high a level you play at, or how much you play. Mourinho and AVB seem to have done all right understanding the game without playing.

It is about attitude towards the game, taste and interest in what you want from football perhaps influenced by upbringing, and your general character. Some people are all about action and they are the ones who often follow the ball rather than watching the player stood maintaining discipline and drawing players across the pitch creating spaces etc. The laws of the game show a bias to goal scoring (red card for stopping a goal with you hand, only a yellow for trying to score one), prestige shows a bias to goal scoring (attacking players winning man of the match more often, star players being attacking, goal scoring/providing ones etc.) and a lot of fans simply buy into this and so focus more on the mves that produce goals rather than the ones that stop it.

There is also an expectation thing. People who have decided they don't like barnes will ignore the numerous times he has a good first touch and focus on the few times he doesn't, they will focus on his missed shots instead of the ones that drew saves or the runs that were not met, or his shift in defence. They think he should be winning the ball to push on and score so miss the way he has forced an opponent back, or forced him to play the ball away from our goal. (This isn't unique to barnes, people who don't like brezovan will focus on his poor play more than his good play, people who don't like navarro will focus on players getting by him rather than the ones he stops, etc).

 

[Acker79]

If so it beggars belief. How can a young kid who is constantly improving and has been an integral part of the best Brighton team for at least the last twenty years be getting so much abuse? It makes no sense at all. And it also means that those abusing him are saying that Poyet is also a bit shit as its Poyet who keeps playing him. Plenty of other players are rotated, Barnes barely is. That must tell you something?

Wow. Time flies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is also an expectation thing. People who have decided they don't like barnes will ignore the numerous times he has a good first touch and focus on the few times he doesn't, they will focus on his missed shots instead of the ones that drew saves or the runs that were not met, or his shift in defence. They think he should be winning the ball to push on and score so miss the way he has forced an opponent back, or forced him to play the ball away from our goal. (This isn't unique to barnes, people who don't like brezovan will focus on his poor play more than his good play, people who don't like navarro will focus on players getting by him rather than the ones he stops, etc).

People see what they want to see, which reinforces their opinions regardless of whether that opinion is founded or unfounded. They refuse to take off their blinkers because it would mean admitting that they were wrong.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I still think you're wrong. It has little to do with how high a level you play at, or how much you play.

I think you are mostly correct - except at certain times when I hear "he should have scored there" or "that was a tap-in". It is so difficult to actually get the ball over the line - the keeper seems massive and the goal seems tiny and miles away, and the pitch is making the ball bobble, and you are just about to get clattered, and I do wonder if the person making the comment has played the game. Because I am a lot more tolerant of strikers missing chances, and appreciative of when they do.

As you might be able to tell - I wasn't a very good striker.

 

[chucky1973]

There was a guy near me who, during the cardiff game when we were 2-1 down was moaning that we were passing the ball around the back. "That's alright most of the time, but we need a goal, and we're never going to score playing that passing style"



These threads tend to have lots of anecdotal evidence of it happening at the games. I've seen people talk about hearing it in the WSU, some admit to doing it. People have reported hearing it in the north stand, and I have heard it myself (mostly from the same bloke who I recounted above). It does happen at the ground. Where do you sit, though, cause if you're not hearing any barnes abuse I want to sit there, too.



I still think you're wrong. It has little to do with how high a level you play at, or how much you play. Mourinho and AVB seem to have done all right understanding the game without playing.

It is about attitude towards the game, taste and interest in what you want from football perhaps influenced by upbringing, and your general character. Some people are all about action and they are the ones who often follow the ball rather than watching the player stood maintaining discipline and drawing players across the pitch creating spaces etc. The laws of the game show a bias to goal scoring (red card for stopping a goal with you hand, only a yellow for trying to score one), prestige shows a bias to goal scoring (attacking players winning man of the match more often, star players being attacking, goal scoring/providing ones etc.) and a lot of fans simply buy into this and so focus more on the mves that produce goals rather than the ones that stop it.

There is also an expectation thing. People who have decided they don't like barnes will ignore the numerous times he has a good first touch and focus on the few times he doesn't, they will focus on his missed shots instead of the ones that drew saves or the runs that were not met, or his shift in defence. They think he should be winning the ball to push on and score so miss the way he has forced an opponent back, or forced him to play the ball away from our goal. (This isn't unique to barnes, people who don't like brezovan will focus on his poor play more than his good play, people who don't like navarro will focus on players getting by him rather than the ones he stops, etc).

thats a great post and I agree with all that you say, but i do feel the more experainced footballer you are in terms of level of football you have played, the better your judgement is on aspects of the game, of course there are going to be exceptions to this on both sides.

 

[Acker79]

I think you are mostly correct - except at certain times when I hear "he should have scored there" or "that was a tap-in". It is so difficult to actually get the ball over the line - the keeper seems massive and the goal seems tiny and miles away, and the pitch is making the ball bobble, and you are just about to get clattered, and I do wonder if the person making the comment has played the game. Because I am a lot more tolerant of strikers missing chances, and appreciative of when they do.

As you might be able to tell - I wasn't a very good striker.

Probably not helped by the cliche "he done the hard part" by a commentator when a striker gets past the defenders in to the area.

 

[looney]

I rate Barnes in our top 6 players, I really dont get it.

I remember Kevin Bremner getting shit for hoofing it over the bar from 6 yards out a few times and that was a bit harsh but Barnes is way better than Bremner was.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I wrote this back on March 5...

http://www.sweatshoptachinardi.blogspot.com/2012/03/sportsmen-i-love-part-three-ashley-luke.html

 

[blockhseagull]

Thought the celebration was appropriate & reasonable tbh & made us all laugh. He's been doing his talking on the pitch for a long time, so frankly is well justified in having a little pop back

I'm not disagreeing that he is intitled to a pop back... however was just saying those that found it funny and or acceptable probably arent the ones on his back anyway.

Those that are will probably be more so now

 

[clippedgull]

I'm not disagreeing that he is intitled to a pop back... however was just saying those that found it funny and or acceptable probably arent the ones on his back anyway.

Those that are will probably be more so now

Quite agree, he needs to just get on with his game, not fan the flames, otherwise these threads will keep recurring over and over. As long as Gus is happy for him to start, then so should we be as well.

 

[El Presidente]

As you might be able to tell - I wasn't a very good striker.

You would still get a place in the NSC Tippy Tappers XI who played at Donny, we missed a HATFUL.

 

[Gritt23]

This would be a pretty dull place if we all bowed to what Gus says. Gus changes his mind like the rest of us, and players he rates may for any number of reasons not perform so well.

Oh absolutely, don't bow to his every word. Surel though, you would have to be pretty damn near 100% sure in you view of Barnes to stand up and hurl abuse at him - as well as being slightly unhinged if you think that's the way to "support" the team. Even if you can't see what Barnes brings to the team, you would think that Gus having the completely opposite view would, at the very least, impart enough doubt that you'd give Ashley the benefit of that doubt and not actually dish out abuse.

Btw, when I saw "you" I'm not assuming you are in that particular bunch of oddballs who seem to believe slagging off Barnes is the way forward.

 

[CheeseRolls]

One by one the dissenters are losing the argument on Barnes.

Only scores Penalties at this level - nope
Dodgy temperament - Not the worst disciplinary record in our squad.

Not a Technical player - This one is also a pile of crap. Gus makes it clear he keeps picking him because he brings the ball down. It also helps that he is able to shoot well off either foot. His first touch is often to take the ball into space and away from the defender, which is one of the reasons he earns so many free kicks. With experience his decision making will only get better. Granted he doesn't have blistering pace, but it would be interesting to see his match stats in terms of the ground he covers, with his new withdrawn position.

 

[Gritt23]

I just look at his record and think about how excited we would be if we were about to sign him ....

22 year old, 6ft+, can play as a striker, or out wide, and tracks back to help out defensively.
So, just a workhorse? No, he's a goalscorer, he has 38 League goals in 95 starts, in League One and The Championship.
Would he get in the side? Hell yeah, Gus has indicated he'd be a regular starter, week in, week out.

We would be pissing ourselves at the thought of signing a player like that. Sometimes, people just don't appreciate what they already have.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

Naylor's timing is a bit late - might have been understandable 3-4 weeks ago but now Ashley is back in the goals, why raise the issue now? If anything this article could be counterproductive by raising the issue at the very time the moaners have less to moan about.

I tend to agree that by comparison CMS has been bullet proof. Neither CMS or Barnes have been played in formations that particularly suit their attributes but both are rediscovering their shooting boots.

With Vicente having a miraculous reincarnation who will be left to have a pop at - back to Harley I suppose?