Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[dazzer6666]

awkward question arises how to show you are vaccinated. did the EU go through with a vaccine passport? last i read we'd abandoned the idea, no standard to conform to one reason.

Why is it awkward ? We already have it. The NHS app has all your vaccination details (date type) in it if you've registered, along with a simple button for sharing your vaccination details with any agencies that need to see it - this generates a QR code (that renews every 30 days) for scanning by those agencies. You can also get a pdf version, or have it emailed to you directly from the app.

 

[Albion Dan]

Of course,

Please tell me what is going to be the state of play in 3, 6 and 12 months in each country then please. We can then come back and see how you did.

I’ll tell you. New variations and societies regardless of country being fear porned into accepting never ending restriction levels despite all queuing up and taking their annual medicine like good boys and girls. I’d confidently lay money on it. Global society is now well and truly under control and the majority don’t even realise.

 

[beorhthelm]

Why is it awkward ? We already have it. The NHS app has all your vaccination details (date type) in it if you've registered, along with a simple button for sharing your vaccination details with any agencies that need to see it - this generates a QR code (that renews every 30 days) for scanning by those agencies. You can also get a pdf version, or have it emailed to you directly from the app.

that leaves out those without smart phones, and requires every country to be trained on this app, alongside a hundred others.

something setup by international trade body sounds more practical.

 

[Acker79]

Astra Zeneca is trending on twitter and it appears to be for two reasons:

1) Because it hasn't been okayed by the US FDA, if you've had the AZ vaccine you won't be admitted to Bruce Springsteen's upcoming concert.

2) Because AZ have won a court case against Europe, which Europe also won. Trying to work it out, but as far as I can tell, europe wanted AZ to prioritize them, and the judge said no, so AZ claim victory, but the Judge also said AZ had to give at least 80mil doses by the end of June and use all their facililities, including an oxford lab they hadn't been using and will be fined €10 for every dose short they are by the deadline, and europeans representatives and holding this as a victory (while AZ claim they already have provided 70m doses and are on course to exceed 80m by the deadline). Though I may be completely confused and it might be something else entirely, but both sides seem to be claiming victory.

 

[dazzer6666]

that leaves out those without smart phones, and requires every country to be trained on this app, alongside a hundred others.

something setup by international trade body sounds more practical.

They wouldn’t need training on an app itself…….data will be captured with a scan of the QRC. You can also get the email or printable version containing the evidence directly from the NHS if you don’t have the app or a smartphone.

 

[darkwolf666]

Astra Zeneca is trending on twitter and it appears to be for two reasons:

1) Because it hasn't been okayed by the US FDA, if you've had the AZ vaccine you won't be admitted to Bruce Springsteen's upcoming concert.

2) Because AZ have won a court case against Europe, which Europe also won. Trying to work it out, but as far as I can tell, europe wanted AZ to prioritize them, and the judge said no, so AZ claim victory, but the Judge also said AZ had to give at least 80mil doses by the end of June and use all their facililities, including an oxford lab they hadn't been using and will be fined €10 for every dose short they are by the deadline, and europeans representatives and holding this as a victory (while AZ claim they already have provided 70m doses and are on course to exceed 80m by the deadline). Though I may be completely confused and it might be something else entirely, but both sides seem to be claiming victory.

Bad taste maybe, but the idea of going to a Springsteen concert is more likely to give me an haemorrhage then the vaccinne!





I'll get me coat...

 

[LamieRobertson]

Bad taste maybe, but the idea of going to a Springsteen concert is more likely to give me an haemorrhage then the vaccinne!





I'll get me coat...

Lol

 

[darkwolf666]

After my flippant previous post, and to get back on track, did you know that when the government devised the roadmap out of lockdown the February model used predicted 54,000 to 60,000 deaths by June 21st, whereas in actual fact since March 8th there have been 2,297 deaths.

To me this says one of two things, the restrictions used have been amazingly successful or the modellers don't really kmow what they're doing!

You decide...

 

[beorhthelm]

Astra Zeneca is trending on twitter and it appears to be for two reasons:

1) Because it hasn't been okayed by the US FDA, if you've had the AZ vaccine you won't be admitted to Bruce Springsteen's upcoming concert.

2) Because AZ have won a court case against Europe, which Europe also won. Trying to work it out, but as far as I can tell, europe wanted AZ to prioritize them, and the judge said no, so AZ claim victory, but the Judge also said AZ had to give at least 80mil doses by the end of June and use all their facililities, including an oxford lab they hadn't been using and will be fined €10 for every dose short they are by the deadline, and europeans representatives and holding this as a victory (while AZ claim they already have provided 70m doses and are on course to exceed 80m by the deadline). Though I may be completely confused and it might be something else entirely, but both sides seem to be claiming victory.

the tragedy of this is pharma companies may not bother to get involved in another pandemic, if its not their core business. AZ dont do vaccines, stepped in with manufacturing capacity, and EU have spent 5 month pissing on their cornflakes. they'll leave it to GSK and Sanofi next time... (their vaccine didnt get approval)

 

[crodonilson]

[The really concerning data is hospitalisations are now up 40% week on week thus is now higher than the week in week average increase in cases. If this trend continues it shows that there is no real brwk in the chain between cases and hospitalisations and we must do all we can to keep cases to an absolute minimum for now and to prevent an Autumn/Winter wave.

 

[dsr-burnley]

[The really concerning data is hospitalisations are now up 40% week on week thus is now higher than the week in week average increase in cases. If this trend continues it shows that there is no real brwk in the chain between cases and hospitalisations and we must do all we can to keep cases to an absolute minimum for now and to prevent an Autumn/Winter wave.

If you're looking for evidence that the vaccine doesn't work, you'll have to do better than that.

It seems strange that a week ago, when the increase in hospitalisations was lower than the increase in cases, it was because there is a time lag and the increase would come later. Now that the increase has come, the time lag has suddenly become the forgotten argument, and it's because the vaccine isn't working. Why would that be?

Incidentally, the number of patients in hospital was 1,061 on 9th June, 1,251 on 16th June. An increase of 18%. Which shows that the number of people being released from hospital after a short stay is increasing - they're getting over it quicker.

Here's a more encouraging statistic for you. On 5th May, the average stay in hospital for a coronavirus patient, based on the number of days' admissions it took to reach the total in hospital that day, was 10 days. By 19th May, 9 days. 2nd June, 8 days. 9th June, 7 days. Now, 6 days. That's a trend to consider. Don't just pick the worst possible trend and assume that it is the only possible trend. Look at a borader of range of stats and see the optimistic ones as well as the pessimistic.

 

[dazzer6666]

[The really concerning data is hospitalisations are now up 40% week on week thus is now higher than the week in week average increase in cases. If this trend continues it shows that there is no real brwk in the chain between cases and hospitalisations and we must do all we can to keep cases to an absolute minimum for now and to prevent an Autumn/Winter wave.

As well as the much lower relative seriousness of illness and faster recovery of those being admitted as @DSR points out, the majority are unvaccinated aren’t they ? Given the vac program the trend is unlikely to continue

The sooner people accept we are going to have to live with a number of Covid infections on an ongoing basis, with death/serious illness prevented for the very vast majority, the sooner we can move on.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If you're looking for evidence that the vaccine doesn't work, you'll have to do better than that.

It seems strange that a week ago, when the increase in hospitalisations was lower than the increase in cases, it was because there is a time lag and the increase would come later. Now that the increase has come, the time lag has suddenly become the forgotten argument, and it's because the vaccine isn't working. Why would that be?

Incidentally, the number of patients in hospital was 1,061 on 9th June, 1,251 on 16th June. An increase of 18%. Which shows that the number of people being released from hospital after a short stay is increasing - they're getting over it quicker.

Here's a more encouraging statistic for you. On 5th May, the average stay in hospital for a coronavirus patient, based on the number of days' admissions it took to reach the total in hospital that day, was 10 days. By 19th May, 9 days. 2nd June, 8 days. 9th June, 7 days. Now, 6 days. That's a trend to consider. Don't just pick the worst possible trend and assume that it is the only possible trend. Look at a borader of range of stats and see the optimistic ones as well as the pessimistic.

And it’s still way under the predicted 7k by now

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

As well as the much lower relative seriousness of illness and faster recovery of those being admitted as @DSR points out, the majority are unvaccinated aren’t they ? Given the vac program the trend is unlikely to continue

The sooner people accept we are going to have to live with a number of Covid infections on an ongoing basis, with death/serious illness prevented for the very vast majority, the sooner we can move on.

BBC reported yesterday that of the people hospitalised with Delta variant in the previous 7 days up to the 14th June, only 10% had been double jabbed, 17% had had a single jab more than 21 days ago. So the vast majority being hospitalised haven’t been vaccinated.

It wasn’t reported how many of those that had been in hospital after receiving both doses had other health issues, but a few weeks ago anyone being admitted to hospital after both jabs had pronounced co-morbidity, I would expect this still to be the case.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

BBC reported yesterday that of the people hospitalised with Delta variant in the previous 7 days up to the 14th June, only 10% had been double jabbed, 17% had had a single jab more than 21 days ago. So the vast majority being hospitalised haven’t been vaccinated.

It wasn’t reported how many of those that had been in hospital after receiving both doses had other health issues, but a few weeks ago anyone being admitted to hospital after both jabs had pronounced co-morbidity, I would expect this still to be the case.

There is a decent number of those in with something else as well.

 

[Yoda]

One break down I would like to see happen in the future if possible, is how many of the cases being reported now or in the future are a true epidemiological case and how many are asymptomatic infections.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ncock-kept-boris-johnson-dark-covid-vaccines/

Whoops.

Seems Matthew has been sitting on data about vaccines.


“The data showed that both vaccines are more effective at preventing hospitalisation against the variant than they had been against previous types”

 

[dazzer6666]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ncock-kept-boris-johnson-dark-covid-vaccines/

Whoops.

Seems Matthew has been sitting on data about vaccines.


“The data showed that both vaccines are more effective at preventing hospitalisation against the variant than they had been against previous types”

Could be enough to get him fired (we live in hope - Boris will be fuming) although the extra month delay does mean so many more jabs will be completed…….if the vaccines are as effective as all the data is reconfirming on an ongoing basis, the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed even now must be close to zero. There is going to be no reason to delay any further and we might even see further easing at the ‘mid point’ in early July.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Fans who had AZ vaccine will not be admitted to Bruce Springsteen's Broadway show

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/18/bruce-springsteen-vaccine-astrazeneca-broadway

 

[LamieRobertson]

New cases still rising at 17000 per day but rate has really slowed down with our estimated U.K. R value down to 1.1 only the West Midlands and possibly SW showing rapid rises. Hospital cases and deaths still low because of age and Vaccines. Thx for logging!

https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1406595729724956677?s=21