LamieRobertson
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Nothing wrong with civil liberties is there? ....so because Asian countries have been doing it we should? Oh right..ok
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Nothing wrong with civil liberties is there? ....so because Asian countries have been doing it we should? Oh right..ok
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
James Wards favourite graph of the day
https://twitter.com/jamesward73/status/1405608918550728710?s=21
https://twitter.com/jamesward73/status/1405608918550728710?s=21
darkwolf666
Well-known member
No, there is nothing wrong with civil liberties, just sometimes it's used as an excuse by activists to stir up shit for people who possibly weren't that bothered before...
Facebook and Twitter are full of them...
Albion Dan has plenty of history over the last 16 months here of posting half truths and darn right lies when it comes to Covid often in the name of civil liberties.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
In the interview that I think was referred to she talked about the vaccine ..test track and trace ..border controls ..and then change of behaviour, which included wearing face masks indoors where there is no ventilation, long term...no mention of “to some extent” ...have you got the bit where she says that.
Ah...ok I’ve scrolled on and when pressed she has said forever ...to some extent ....hmmm....pity the comment by the doctor in that interview didn’t get more coverage as she talked about the necessity of an equitable distribution of vaccines throughout the world.
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Fair enough
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
The recent Covid spike is already beginning to flatten, latest data show, as experts said Britain was experiencing a “mini wave” which was likely to peak within two weeks.
Latest data from the King’s College ZOE symptom tracker app, which monitors community prevalence, show cases in unvaccinated people rose by just 28 per cent up to June 12, compared to 114 per cent the previous week.
In fully and partly vaccinated groups, the increase in infections has fallen from 89 per cent to 53 per cent.
The ZOE app estimates there are now 12,830 new daily symptomatic cases of coronavirus in unvaccinated people, a rise from 9,991 last week. Last week, the jump went from 4,662 to 9,991, an increase of 5,329 cases compared to 2,839 this week.
In vaccinated populations, the rise in case numbers is relatively flat, increasing to 2,930 from 1,917 this week, an rise of 1,013 compared to 903 the previous week.
Professor Tim Spector, lead scientist on the ZOE Covid study app and professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s, said it looked as if cases would peak within a fortnight.
“The good news is that this isn’t going up as fast as it was,” he said. “This has been a much better week than it was last week. I think we can start to see an end to this little mini wave in the young and the extra time we've got should be able to squash this from getting out of control.
“Rates in the North West of the country and Scotland are still going up but you can definitely see signs they are starting to level off. Rates in London look like they are starting to slow down.
“If we look at the way past waves have come and gone I would be predicting that this should be peaking around 10 to 14 days time and then start to fall, so by four weeks we are at a much lower level than we are now, and much more manageable.
“I think this suggests that this should be the end of this summer wave, it doesn't mean there won’t be other waves outbreaks.”
people who have been fully vaccinated and those who have had one shot or none at all.
Prof Spector said the vaccination impact could be seen in Wales where cases appear to have stopped rising. The country has already fully vaccinated 55 per cent of adults while 88 per cent have had at least one jab – around 10 per cent higher coverage than the rest of Britain.
“Let’s look at the figures for Wales because they definitely never got a big peak and seem to be levelling off nicely, and they’ve been ahead of the game in terms of vaccination,” Prof Spector added.
“They are several weeks ahead of the rest of the country and it gives us an idea that this is providing protection against the delta variant.”
King’s estimates that the current risk of suffering a symptomatic Covid infection is one in 2,093 in the unvaccinated, one in 5,508 after a single dose and one in 16,101 after two doses.
Latest surveillance data shows that case rates continue to be highest in those aged 20 to 29, with a case rate of 195.9 per 100,000 population.
The lowest case rates were in those aged 80 and above, with a rate of 9.6 per 100,000 population.
The latest surveillance report from Public Health England shows that case rates per 100,000 have continued to increase in all regions and age-groups. According to the government dashboard, cases have risen around 30 per cent in a week, and admissions by 41 per cent, but deaths are remaining stable at around nine per day.
However, seroprevalence data (the level of a pathogen in the population measured by blood samples) indicates around 79.1 per cent of over-17s in England now have antibodies to coronavirus either from infection or vaccination.
Latest figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the chance of getting Covid after being vaccinated drops sharply 21 days after a first dose.
Out of a sample of 297,493 people vaccinated, 1,477 (0.5 per cent) were subsequently found to have a new positive infection of Covid-19.
From a sample of 210,918 adults who had received both doses of vaccine, just 0.1 per cent were subsequently found to have a new positive infection.
Dr Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said: “We now know that two doses of either vaccine offers very high levels of protection against hospitalisation from all variants, including delta, and so it is important to take up the offer of the vaccine to protect yourself and others.”
Latest government dashboard figures also show that the rise in infections is slowing. In the week up to June 17 there were 58,830 new cases reported compared to the previous seven-day period when there were 44,008 cases, an increase of 33.7 per cent. However the previous weekly rise had been a 63.2 per cent increase.
Professor Paul Hunter, at the University of East Anglia, said: “On balance, it does appear that the epidemic in the UK may no longer be increasing exponentially. Clearly the epidemic is not yet over, case numbers are still increasing but just rather more slowly than a week ago."
“I am increasingly optimistic that this latest extension to restrictions should be the last. Although we are likely to see case numbers increase in future, we are unlikely to see a surge of cases, hopitalisations and deaths anything like what we have seen this last winter again.”
Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, said he expected a further Covid surge this winter, adding that the virus has “not thrown its last surprise at us”.
He said: "In terms of the medium term, my expectation is that we will get a further winter surge, late autumn/winter surge, and that is because we know that winter and autumn favour respiratory viruses, and therefore it'd be very surprising if this particular highly transmissible respiratory virus was not also favoured.”
Prof Whitty said experts believe there will be "further problems over the winter", adding: "How big they'll be I think is uncertain, and that partly depends on do we get new variants which can evade vaccines better, and partly depends on how the current wave passes through the UK.”
Positive stuff....with a hint of caution.
Latest data from the King’s College ZOE symptom tracker app, which monitors community prevalence, show cases in unvaccinated people rose by just 28 per cent up to June 12, compared to 114 per cent the previous week.
In fully and partly vaccinated groups, the increase in infections has fallen from 89 per cent to 53 per cent.
The ZOE app estimates there are now 12,830 new daily symptomatic cases of coronavirus in unvaccinated people, a rise from 9,991 last week. Last week, the jump went from 4,662 to 9,991, an increase of 5,329 cases compared to 2,839 this week.
In vaccinated populations, the rise in case numbers is relatively flat, increasing to 2,930 from 1,917 this week, an rise of 1,013 compared to 903 the previous week.
Professor Tim Spector, lead scientist on the ZOE Covid study app and professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s, said it looked as if cases would peak within a fortnight.
“The good news is that this isn’t going up as fast as it was,” he said. “This has been a much better week than it was last week. I think we can start to see an end to this little mini wave in the young and the extra time we've got should be able to squash this from getting out of control.
“Rates in the North West of the country and Scotland are still going up but you can definitely see signs they are starting to level off. Rates in London look like they are starting to slow down.
“If we look at the way past waves have come and gone I would be predicting that this should be peaking around 10 to 14 days time and then start to fall, so by four weeks we are at a much lower level than we are now, and much more manageable.
“I think this suggests that this should be the end of this summer wave, it doesn't mean there won’t be other waves outbreaks.”
people who have been fully vaccinated and those who have had one shot or none at all.
Prof Spector said the vaccination impact could be seen in Wales where cases appear to have stopped rising. The country has already fully vaccinated 55 per cent of adults while 88 per cent have had at least one jab – around 10 per cent higher coverage than the rest of Britain.
“Let’s look at the figures for Wales because they definitely never got a big peak and seem to be levelling off nicely, and they’ve been ahead of the game in terms of vaccination,” Prof Spector added.
“They are several weeks ahead of the rest of the country and it gives us an idea that this is providing protection against the delta variant.”
King’s estimates that the current risk of suffering a symptomatic Covid infection is one in 2,093 in the unvaccinated, one in 5,508 after a single dose and one in 16,101 after two doses.
Latest surveillance data shows that case rates continue to be highest in those aged 20 to 29, with a case rate of 195.9 per 100,000 population.
The lowest case rates were in those aged 80 and above, with a rate of 9.6 per 100,000 population.
The latest surveillance report from Public Health England shows that case rates per 100,000 have continued to increase in all regions and age-groups. According to the government dashboard, cases have risen around 30 per cent in a week, and admissions by 41 per cent, but deaths are remaining stable at around nine per day.
However, seroprevalence data (the level of a pathogen in the population measured by blood samples) indicates around 79.1 per cent of over-17s in England now have antibodies to coronavirus either from infection or vaccination.
Latest figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the chance of getting Covid after being vaccinated drops sharply 21 days after a first dose.
Out of a sample of 297,493 people vaccinated, 1,477 (0.5 per cent) were subsequently found to have a new positive infection of Covid-19.
From a sample of 210,918 adults who had received both doses of vaccine, just 0.1 per cent were subsequently found to have a new positive infection.
Dr Yvonne Doyle, medical director of Public Health England, said: “We now know that two doses of either vaccine offers very high levels of protection against hospitalisation from all variants, including delta, and so it is important to take up the offer of the vaccine to protect yourself and others.”
Latest government dashboard figures also show that the rise in infections is slowing. In the week up to June 17 there were 58,830 new cases reported compared to the previous seven-day period when there were 44,008 cases, an increase of 33.7 per cent. However the previous weekly rise had been a 63.2 per cent increase.
Professor Paul Hunter, at the University of East Anglia, said: “On balance, it does appear that the epidemic in the UK may no longer be increasing exponentially. Clearly the epidemic is not yet over, case numbers are still increasing but just rather more slowly than a week ago."
“I am increasingly optimistic that this latest extension to restrictions should be the last. Although we are likely to see case numbers increase in future, we are unlikely to see a surge of cases, hopitalisations and deaths anything like what we have seen this last winter again.”
Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, said he expected a further Covid surge this winter, adding that the virus has “not thrown its last surprise at us”.
He said: "In terms of the medium term, my expectation is that we will get a further winter surge, late autumn/winter surge, and that is because we know that winter and autumn favour respiratory viruses, and therefore it'd be very surprising if this particular highly transmissible respiratory virus was not also favoured.”
Prof Whitty said experts believe there will be "further problems over the winter", adding: "How big they'll be I think is uncertain, and that partly depends on do we get new variants which can evade vaccines better, and partly depends on how the current wave passes through the UK.”
Positive stuff....with a hint of caution.
Albion Dan
Banned
Here it is. The future that we are all going to be manipulated by. Regardless of vaccines new variants will be the lever to keep us living with restrictions and under levels of control that were never even thought conceivable pre covid.
Albion Dan
Banned
I still believe the bigger game at play here is the removal of our civil liberties and I see nothing yet that convinces me otherwise. In fact the more this develops the more obvious it is.
It’s a very vague (and open to interpretation) comment from Whitty……..what exactly does a ‘surge’ constitute (again, the language is potentially inflammatory and has negative connotations) ? Arguably we’ve got one going on now, but compared with the peak the numbers are currently tiny, possibly flattening and the NHS is under no threat from Covid numbers.
If this is what we see going forward (quite possible given the evident success of vaccinations - so ‘flu like’ in terms of management and impact) then modest peaks and troughs of infection numbers shouldn’t be a huge concern, along with occasional (possibly localised) restrictive measures from time to time. I can also see such measures being more ‘advisory’ rather than legally enforceable eg ‘infection numbers in the BN postcode are currently increasing slightly, we recommend using facemasks on public transport………’
This is what I dont get, most other nations are heading towards the exit and not looking back, its the vaccine and done.
We are edging towards it with one eye on the next set of restrictions.
darkwolf666
Well-known member
As a member of a CEV household I should disagree with you, but can't.
We will have to learn to live with Covid - my only problem is the apparent rush to normality, before the precaution of vaccination is complete.
Surely a slight delay is sensible - stop this nonsense of dangling the foreign summer holiday carrot and just get people vaccinated ASAP.
Taken 15 months but we found something small to agree on lol
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
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its largely politics. people focus on worst death count in the month of Jan, PPE debacle etc. with an overtly political slant. i dont know if they are as nakedly political criticism abroad, where their numbers are only marginally different. from what ive read there does seem to be similar "should have done better", so maybe its perceptions. i hope in the end we'll move on, there will be a constant drip of criticism that politicians dont like, and the current Tories dont have the leadership to drive a solid story of recovery.
But no other similar country has had Delta to contend with yet. It's on its way - no country can escape - it's just a matter of time.
We had Delta well-seeded, permitting a rapid growth, meaning we're getting to deal with it first.
Are we dealing with it well? Are we dealing with it badly? There's no way of knowing yet, but other countries will have the benefit of tailoring their approach based on what plays out here.
They are talking about the delta being an issue without talking about bringing restrictions back, this could of course change.
our default position is further restrictions.
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Do you closely study the scientific, health and political "personalities" in each and every country to give you the same level of awareness you have of what people in the UK say?
I'll answer for you: no you don't.
Do you even know the name of the Whitty equivalent in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the US?
I'll answer for you: no you don't. (Not even for the last one, which isn't Fauci)
We know far more about what is said in the UK than any other country for obvious reasons.
Regardless...
1. No one has too much idea of what is going to happen in 3, 6 nor 12 months time. The last 16 months have told us one thing: when we think we know what is going on and where we are going, something will change.
2. Why on earth are you acting as if someone has said "Increased restrictions ARE coming back?" Why not chill out a bit and see what plays out?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
....and breath.
Lots of assumptions there big dog, all wrong.
Of course,
Please tell me what is going to be the state of play in 3, 6 and 12 months in each country then please. We can then come back and see how you did.
If you could point to the post I said I did know that would be great.
I believe I said
“They are talking about the delta being an issue without talking about bringing restrictions back, this of course could change ”
You’ve assumed I have little knowledge as to what is currently happening in other countries