The conspiracy theory whack jobs are just saying the same things they’ve always said about George Soros but now substituting his name for Bill Gates.
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The conspiracy theory whack jobs are just saying the same things they’ve always said about George Soros but now substituting his name for Bill Gates.
New cases appear to be 'going up' all over the place. In fairness in almost every nation (Iran are an exception - ho ho) the number of new cases over time is a high frequency wiggly line over a low frequency background of trajectory. It just so happens that in some countries where the low frequency trend has been strongly downwards (including Germany and France) there has been an upward high frequency wiggle in the last couple of days. I saw this in the Hopkins data yesterday but decided to park it for a day or so to see if it persists. My expecation is that the fall in new cases will bottom out everywhere, at a value that is higher than zero (as this almost certainly is not a seasonal flu) so we shall see, and in Germany in particular I expect a bottoming soon, simply because an exponential decline is much more likely than a fast crash to zero cases. That is a worry enough since I feel that some glibly expect cases to just hit the zero line and vanish, and they stand to be rather disappointed. Worse, the number of new cases could increase as restrictions are lifted. Unless we have reached herd immunity (very unlikely, given we supposedly need 40 million of us with antibodies in the UK for that - an old quote) I don't see what there is to stop cases rising aging with easing of restrictions. If that starts to happen in Germany we will see it, although I'd not expect to see it yet - maybe not for a couple of weeks. So, yes, these data fit the bad narrative but in fairness I think it is just part of the high frequency wobble.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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R = 'somewhere between 0.5 and 0.9' = they have no ****ing idea. Yet still they treat us like simpletons because they're being lead by the carefully hand-selected version of science that suits them on any particular day
Mrs T says 'they need to get in the sea' (the conspiracy theorists).
The US has a great tradition of wealthy philanthropy from the Rockefellers through the Mellons to Gates and others (a substitute for them for the Welfare State, which is a socialist anathema). Interesting list here:
https://www.forbes.com/top-givers/#3aef1e2666ff
I think they have a much better idea than that. However, if you say “yeah, London’s actually 0.5 now, really safe, it’s all fine” that would be a pretty bad idea.
Tbh quite a few of us could work out roughly the R rate for different areas if we spent some time with the data, graphs and a calculator.
Albion Dan
Banned
He states 'it includes the hospital death rate AND the total death rate. And then goes on to state that the ONS figures include all fatalities. This means it includes those at home that have been diagnosed by a doctor, but not tested. At no point does he say hospital deaths are untested
Do you not think you may get more support for your conspiracy theories here ? https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?380003-5G-and-Coronavirus
He also doesn’t say all hospital deaths are being tested. Ok I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and say it’s non hospital deaths (which you can only draw as an assumption based on that video). A colleague of mine at work was told her mum with dementia was likely to last another 3-4 weeks before lockdown started. She has now passed as expected and the death certificate says Covid. She is astounded. It’s not doctors making that diagnosis it’s the homes and funeral directors.
Albion Dan
Banned
Like I said where in that vid does he say hospital cases are all being tested? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. It still means a huge amount of deaths being caused as covid are a pure guess.
Oh blimey, the mention of a 'high frequency wobble' will get our conspiracy friends all excited about 5G
I dont know if this is the right thread but I have some Covid-19 related news:
Todays number of reported deaths in Sweden: 5. Five!
Of course it is weekend numbers and it will be (a lot) more added to that number, but it is still a strong indicator that things are going in the right direction.
Todays number of reported deaths in Sweden: 5. Five!
Of course it is weekend numbers and it will be (a lot) more added to that number, but it is still a strong indicator that things are going in the right direction.
The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
- 18,399
England 178* Hospitals only
Scotland 10
Wales 12
NI - 5
Sunday number so always lower, but considerably lower than last weeks.
Scotland 10
Wales 12
NI - 5
Sunday number so always lower, but considerably lower than last weeks.
It is clear that the real figure we need to focus on is the ONS death figure when compared to the average historical ONS figure over the same time.
It is a pretty depressing comparison.
Of course people only die once. Eventually the figure will positively compare due to this balancing out.
People will dismiss the ONS on the grounds it doesn't capture this week's 'marvellous improvements' yet, though.
What's the message we want to give today Boris?
How about we're over the peak and can begin to relax the lockdown, maybe a 1-5 indicator and call it 4
Fair enough what shall we say the R number is?
What's an R number?
It's the figure we ascribe to those having it and how many they pass it on to?
Really? Do we know that?
No, but they don't know we don't
What's a good number?
Anything under 1 so I hear
OK let's call it 0.6 ... that sounds good but not zero ... what does zero mean again?
Lowest since the end of March apparently?
It’s a bit of a blunt instrument anyway though isn’t it.......there must be huge variation in the number between care homes, cities, rural villages etc. It’s a bit like say the average temperature in the UK today is 15 degrees.......
Machiavelli
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Good post, I was going to give you a thumbs up but thought better of it, given it might indicate that I approved of the content of it. It's good analysis, but hardly encouraging content.
Weststander
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Imho Bill Gates private contribution to the world will be remembered fondly, hugely generous, with altruistic intentions.
Trump by contrast will be viewed as an uncaring nationalist, who had a hugely destructive influence on the planet’s climate and ecosystems.
People who don’t care about those issues or live in denial, lack decency.
If that has happened without a doctor being involved, then I'd agree with you that the number of deaths from Covid could have been overstated by 1. But there won't be too many cases like that (where someone has been given a few weeks to live), and it would make no difference to what the country is doing anyway, because it would be such a small percentage of the total.
And you still haven't answered why you think the government would be doing this anyway. What's the point? Why would the government want a soft lockdown that is costing billions?
Who are they going to borrow money from?
They can borrow from the IMF, or issue bonds. ****ing up the economy so that we need to raise money is not the way for the politicians to get rich.