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BeHereNow

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The only person embarrassing themselves is you Mr "I've got 5 GCSEs".

You are an absolute joke.

That WAS a joke :ffsparr:

You should get out more, you’re anger is showing Mr “Have a go at everyone that doesn’t agree with me”.
 




The Wizard

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Jul 2, 2009
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Sick and tired of Nicola Sturgeon and her bloated sense of self importance, Scotland look like going their own route because the rates haven’t dropped enough - fine, but she continues to answer questions about England despite the fact she says she ‘doesn’t know’ what Boris will announce later.
 


Swansman

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May 13, 2019
22,320
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They can borrow from the IMF, or issue bonds. ****ing up the economy so that we need to raise money is not the way for the politicians to get rich.

The way for politicans to get rich is to run the errands of private interests.

Remember the thread about banning tax-escapers from getting government subventions during the crisis? Most in here said "thats not going to happen.. a lot of MP:s are corrupt". I dont remember your stance, but either they are corrupt or not - not only when it fits the narrative.

If states loan money and then fail to pay back, the lenders say "oops, now we own your shit" and could demand privatizations of government assets - as was the case in Greece.

I'm not saying this is the case here, **** do I know who - if anyone - Boris is tied to beneath the table, but there's definitely quite a few organisations and companies out there that earn money from states/companies/individuals being in debt.
 


WATFORD zero

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He also doesn’t say all hospital deaths are being tested. Ok I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and say it’s non hospital deaths (which you can only draw as an assumption based on that video). A colleague of mine at work was told her mum with dementia was likely to last another 3-4 weeks before lockdown started. She has now passed as expected and the death certificate says Covid. She is astounded. It’s not doctors making that diagnosis it’s the homes and funeral directors.

Care Homes and Funeral Directors are not allowed to make diagnosis and sign death certificates.

Giving me the benefit of the doubt, you're so kind.

But still feeling the need to go back to edit the word 'hospital' out of your posts.

and I see we have gone from
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. Government openly admits covid deaths are being stated for people in hospital that HAVEN’T EVEN BEEN TESTED. I truly feel sorry for those of you gullible enough to be falling for this nonsense.
to a colleague of mine was told. But I appreciate you probably still feel sorry for those of us who are 'gullible'.

Okey Dokey :lolol:
 
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Albion Dan

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Jul 8, 2003
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And you still haven't answered why you think the government would be doing this anyway. What's the point? Why would the government want a soft lockdown that is costing billions?

I have my theory on what is going on in the bigger picture but no point in sharing as people won’t listen objectively or even contemplate that there are a small ruling number of people in this world that don’t have our best interests at heart and profit greatly from economic misery.
 




Albion Dan

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Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Dicsussion Thread

Giving me the benefit of the doubt, you're so kind,

But still feeling the need to go back to edit the word 'hospital' out of your posts.



Okey Dokey :lolol:

I did that because I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Did I not actually say that to you? [emoji23][emoji23] In that film it in NO WAY says hospital deaths are tested which was your insinuation. I did you a favour pal.

Okey doke? I can promise you that is 100% a fact.
 
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Wozza

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:ffsparr: :ffsparr: :ffsparr:

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WATFORD zero

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I did that because I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Did I not actually say that to you? [emoji23][emoji23] In that film it in NO WAY says hospital deaths are tested which was your insinuation. I did you favour pal.

Okey doke? I can promise you that is 100% a fact.

No, you showed an edited clip of a presentation and said
THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. Government openly admits covid deaths are being stated for people in hospital that HAVEN’T EVEN BEEN TESTED. I truly feel sorry for those of you gullible enough to be falling for this nonsense.

https://youtu.be/5aVqEPglrD0

Which is, depending on the reasoning behind it either a lie, or that you are incapable of understanding the words said. So, which was it ?
 




Albion Dan

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Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Dicsussion Thread

No, you showed an edited clip of a presentation and said

Which is, depending on the reasoning behind it either a lie, or that you are incapable of understanding the words said. So, which was it ?




The sentence the film starts with says hospital deaths are added to others in the ONS figures but it’s important to remember that not all covid deaths are actually tested. Absolutely nothing about where tests are done and a clear admission that deaths are likely overstated.

On the actual words said I took that to include hospital, you said it def didn’t which is actually impossible to conclude from the film. On the basis of the actual words my assumption is more likely to be correct than yours.

Like I said I gave you the benefit of the doubt even though you jumped to an unstated assumption, because as the saying goes don’t argue with a fool or you get dragged down to their level and beaten with experience.
 


One Love

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I'm sure this has been brought up before but to save me looking through 1000 pages.

Why have we got pretty much the least border controls out of all countries? No wonder our figures are so bad.

Why haven't the government been brought to task about this?

As an aside, ironic that we should not control our borders when it was so important to regain control of them in the not too distant past.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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He also doesn’t say all hospital deaths are being tested. Ok I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and say it’s non hospital deaths (which you can only draw as an assumption based on that video). A colleague of mine at work was told her mum with dementia was likely to last another 3-4 weeks before lockdown started. She has now passed as expected and the death certificate says Covid. She is astounded. It’s not doctors making that diagnosis it’s the homes and funeral directors.

have you reported to the authorities, as this probably breaking the law?
 




WATFORD zero

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The sentence the film starts with says hospital deaths are added to others in the ONS figures but it’s important to remember that not all covid deaths are actually tested. Absolutely nothing about where tests are done and a clear admission that deaths are likely overstated.

On the actual words said I took that to include hospital, you said it def didn’t which is actually impossible to conclude from the film. On the basis of the actual words my assumption is more likely to be correct than yours.

Like I said I gave you the benefit of the doubt even though you jumped to an unstated assumption, because as the saying goes don’t argue with a fool or you get dragged down to their level and beaten with experience.

If you actually watched the presentation rather than an edited clip put together by somebody as barmy as yourself then it would all become clear. And with that, I'm out :bigwave:
 


Albion Dan

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Has Bill Gates also banned punctuation?

No but in addition to hanging out with a convicted Peado his company has been successfully sued in a $1bn case for abusing anti trust acts to create a monopoly. Just the sort of fella who wants to save us all from the goodness of his own heart.
 






Albion Dan

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If you actually watched the presentation rather than an edited clip put together by somebody as barmy as yourself then it would all become clear. And with that, I'm out :bigwave:

Cool so you’re admitting that the film I shared does indeed enable a purely logical basis for assumption that it includes hospitals and that you chose the usual tactic of derision to debase any words you consider conspiracy. Well done that must have been hard to do.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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No it isn’t. Like the film I posted shows assumptions are being made on death certificates as to whether covid is involved or not.

im aware that patients may be clinically diagnosed with Covid-19 without testing. your claim is that diagnosis are being made by persons other than a doctor. a doctor must certify the death so if any else is doing so, or the doctor accepting a non-medical diagnosis, that would probably be illegal. should be reported in case so its investigated dont you think?
 




Triggaaar

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I have my theory on what is going on in the bigger picture but no point in sharing as people won’t listen objectively or even contemplate that there are a small ruling number of people in this world that don’t have our best interests at heart and profit greatly from economic misery.
Well you kinda have shared.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in the world that don't have our best interests at heart. But there's no logic to any argument that suggests that the world is ruled by that small number of people.

Given that that is your opinion (and even you will be aware it's a pretty extreme opinion), then that will dictate how you view what's going on with the virus. Similar to how a fundamentalist theist could conclude that the virus didn't simply come from a wet market in Wuhan, but rather was sent from God as the beginning of judgement day. Similar to how some religious people believed that AIDS was a punishment from God against homosexuals. It wouldn't matter what our government were doing, because you've already decided that we're all irrelevant to them anyway, they're just trying to make the select few even richer.
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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The way for politicans to get rich is to run the errands of private interests.
That is incorrect, because there's more than one way for a politician to get rich.

Remember the thread about banning tax-escapers from getting government subventions during the crisis? Most in here said "thats not going to happen.. a lot of MP:s are corrupt". I dont remember your stance
I'm not sure I posted on it.
but either they are corrupt or not - not only when it fits the narrative.
I don't have a narrative, other than I try and work out what the truth is. I don't believe it's as simple as 'all politicians are corrupt always' vs 'no politicians are corrupt ever'. I expect you too realise that's not the case.

So you think our government are locking down the country in an effort to put us in huge debt, so they can make money selling off assets to private companies. If you look at the US, Trump mostly wants re-election, and to get that he doesn't want the economy stuffed, but he too knows they need lockdown in some areas. He's desperate to end the lockdown, and doesn't care that it will cause thousands of deaths, because he needs the economy more than he needs people to live. And what about China? They had a massive lockdown, which hurt their economy, but stopped the spread of the virus. Are they too planning to go into debt in order to sell of China to private enterprise? No, of course not.

The evidence is clear that lockdowns help slow the spread of infections and save lives, and the evidence is also clear that the politicians want to end lockdowns when they can.


I'm not saying this is the case here, **** do I know who - if anyone - Boris is tied to beneath the table, but there's definitely quite a few organisations and companies out there that earn money from states/companies/individuals being in debt.
Yes I'm sure there are. But are the government forcing a lockdown in order to **** up our economy, so that they can make money selling off our assets? No, they're not.
 


Mellotron

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Jul 2, 2008
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Do we need to make yet another splinter thread?

“Coronavirus Conspiracy Theories”?
 


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