Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Triggaaar]

The population of the world is probably too many as of today, so diseases like this might actually be a good thing in the long run in controlling the population. Nature trying to redress the balance.

I don't agree. The world can sustain the number of people on it, but a lot of us are consuming far more than we need to. The world's population is increasing by about 81 million people per year, so if the virus is to control the population, as you suggest it could, then it's going to kill hundreds of millions of people. I think seeing that as a good thing is a bit sick.

Top yourself if you're so concerned about over population.

What a horrible thing to post!

I see GBM has been banned. He was obviously being insensitive and his comment was in poor taste, but I'm not sure he meant to be horrible. I read it as a flippant reply (not meant to be taken seriously) to a post that had suggested hundreds of millions of people dying was a good thing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't agree. The world can sustain the number of people on it, but a lot of us are consuming far more than we need to. The world's population is increasing by about 81 million people per year, so if the virus is to control the population, as you suggest it could, then it's going to kill hundreds of millions of people. I think seeing that as a good thing is a bit sick.


I see GBM has been banned. He was obviously being insensitive and his comment was in poor taste, but I'm not sure he meant to be horrible. I read it as a flippant reply (not meant to be taken seriously) to a post that had suggested hundreds of millions of people dying was a good thing.

I didn't report his post, and I notice you only quoted my reply, not the other two who also said it was horrible.

 

[dingodan]

No, reducing the world population through mass death from disease is actually not a good thing. I can understand the "top yourself" comment getting a ban, but I find the malthusian attitudes and disregard for human lives in other posts equally disturbing, personally.

Yes, nations have acted too slowly, putting concerns about economics and politics above public health. I look forward to being mocked en masse and told I must have a "virus" for suggesting such a thing.

NCS can be a strange and disturbing place sometimes.

 

[dingodan]

I don't agree. The world can sustain the number of people on it, but a lot of us are consuming far more than we need to. The world's population is increasing by about 81 million people per year, so if the virus is to control the population, as you suggest it could, then it's going to kill hundreds of millions of people. I think seeing that as a good thing is a bit sick.


I see GBM has been banned. He was obviously being insensitive and his comment was in poor taste, but I'm not sure he meant to be horrible. I read it as a flippant reply (not meant to be taken seriously) to a post that had suggested hundreds of millions of people dying was a good thing.

I agree. It was language which was likely to get him into trouble.

But his point was still valid, if you think that the deaths of large numbers of people from disease would be a "good thing", how would you feel about going first? Oh, you mean those other people.

Pretty disgusting IMO.

 

[Triggaaar]

I didn't report his post, and I notice you only quoted my reply, not the other two who also said it was horrible.

Don't be so sensitive TB, I wasn't criticising you or blaming you. I only quoted your post (not the other two) because that was all that was needed to add a different perspective. It doesn't matter who reported it, or if no one did and a mod saw it. It's fine if someone saw it and reported it because they found it offensive and in poor taste. I'm just saying it's possible he didn't mean it to come out the way it did, because the post before his wasn't very nice IMO.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

I guess if be kinda worried of I was over 70.the mortality rates for this group are very high

I am sure survival rates are high as well. It is flu like symptoms and chest problems that will get a lot of us in very old age, especially if we develop forms of dementia that stop parts of thye body from working.

People below this age in the modern age, its heart conditions, cancers and things like liver disease, unlike 100 years ago when it was a lot of stuff we have better cures for, smallpox, Tyhoid, yellow fever etc etc.

Even if your old, keep healthy and your immune system intact.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[Guinness Boy]

Utterly mad panic going on right now. It's a ****ing COLD FFS.

Let it spread a bit, develop some herd immunity, watch it disappear in the summer and have a vaccine ready for the next winter flu season. People are acting like old people with respiritory problems aren't one step from death anyway.

We're in danger of financially and mentally ruining people on the pretence of saving them a couple of days coughing. Lunacy.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

Good to see that Boris Johnson will be enjoying a nice long weekend before tootling in to a Cobra meeting Monday morning to address the virus. It's not like time is of the essence of anything.

 

[Triggaaar]

The world was in denial about this from day one, was seen as "China's problem" - the only reason the world is waking up is because the poor stock markets around the world have crashed, oh boo who.

I don't agree with you. Separate to that though, I hope your mental health is better at the moment. Are you still having health issues because of concern about this virus?

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Don't be so sensitive TB, I wasn't criticising you or blaming you. I only quoted your post (not the other two) because that was all that was needed to add a different perspective. It doesn't matter who reported it, or if no one did and a mod saw it. It's fine if someone saw it and reported it because they found it offensive and in poor taste. I'm just saying it's possible he didn't mean it to come out the way it did, because the post before his wasn't very nice IMO.

Agreed the post that lead to it was not nice.

They need to watch some Hans Rosling 'DON'T PANIC' on population figures, the guy was a genius and sadly no longer with us, I miss him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

 

[beorhthelm]

...

Yes, nations have acted too slowly, putting concerns about economics and politics above public health. I look forward to being mocked en masse and told I must have a "virus" for suggesting such a thing.

i just ask the question, what action do you think the governments could/should be doing?

 

[Triggaaar]

Sorry Jurgen, but we've had to cancel the Premier League for this season and declare the results null and void !

The coronavirus would claim another victim, as I died laughing.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

Utterly mad panic going on right now. It's a ****ing COLD FFS.

Let it spread a bit, develop some herd immunity, watch it disappear in the summer and have a vaccine ready for the next winter flu season. People are acting like old people with respiritory problems aren't one step from death anyway.

We're in danger of financially and mentally ruining people on the pretence of saving them a couple of days coughing. Lunacy.

Claim: ‘It is no more dangerous than winter flu’
Many individuals who get coronavirus will experience nothing worse than seasonal flu symptoms, but the overall profile of the disease, including its mortality rate, looks more serious. At the start of an outbreak the apparent mortality rate can be an overestimate if a lot of mild cases are being missed. But this week, a WHO expert suggested that this has not been the case with Covid-19. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and the country’s response, said the evidence did not suggest that we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. If borne out by further testing, this could mean that current estimates of a roughly 1% fatality rate are accurate. This would make Covid-19 about 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.

So according to a WHO Expert we could be looking at up to 6.5 million deaths. It's a lot more serious than a cold. To dismiss it, as you do, seems like lunacy to me! But, each to their own...

Also....

Claim: ‘It only kills the elderly, so younger people can relax’
Most people who are not elderly and do not have underlying health conditions will not become critically ill from Covid-19. But the illness still has a higher chance of leading to serious respiratory symptoms than seasonal flu and there are other at-risk groups – health workers, for instance, are more vulnerable because they are likely to have higher exposure to the virus. The actions that young, healthy people take, including reporting symptoms and following quarantine instructions, will have an important role in protecting the most vulnerable in society and in shaping the overall trajectory of the outbreak.


Feel free to read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/coronavirus-truth-myths-flu-covid-19-face-masks

 

[Guinness Boy]

Good to see that Boris Johnson will be enjoying a nice long weekend before tootling in to a Cobra meeting Monday morning to address the virus. It's not like time is of the essence of anything.

It isn't though. There are FIFTEEN cases in the UK. Fifteen. A lot more chance of dying in the flooding. That's where BoJo should be focussed.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

It isn't though. There are FIFTEEN cases in the UK. Fifteen. A lot more chance of dying in the flooding. That's where BoJo should be focussed.

Yes, 15 confirmed cases at the moment. Do you really expect that number to remain? These things generally tend to grow exponentially, of course nipping it in the bud early on will have massive benefits. Just seems so strange to me that the PM isn't making any kind of statement to the country.

 

[dingodan]

Utterly mad panic going on right now. It's a ****ing COLD FFS.

Let it spread a bit, develop some herd immunity, watch it disappear in the summer and have a vaccine ready for the next winter flu season. People are acting like old people with respiritory problems aren't one step from death anyway.

We're in danger of financially and mentally ruining people on the pretence of saving them a couple of days coughing. Lunacy.

FFS indeed.

I'm not interested in encouraging people to panic, there really isn't much people can do anyway to be honest.

But we are not talking about a couple of days of coughing. We are talking about those who contract the virus having a 1/4 - 1/5 chance of requiring hospitalization. A bit of maths will tell you that if this thing becomes a large scale epidemic in this country then not everyone who requires ventilation in an ICU is going to get it. Your comment about old people not really mattering that much anyway is pretty sick tbh, but it will end up being more than just the elderly if there aren't hospital beds or medical interventions for those who need them.

 

[schmunk]

dying in the flooding. That's where BoJo should be

 

[dingodan]

It isn't though. There are FIFTEEN cases in the UK. Fifteen. A lot more chance of dying in the flooding. That's where BoJo should be focussed.

These kind of arguments are bizarre to me.

There aren't any cases in the UK.

There are only x cases in the UK.

There are only xx cases in the UK.

There are only xxx cases in the UK.

Oh.

 

[Triggaaar]

It isn't though. There are FIFTEEN cases in the UK. Fifteen. A lot more chance of dying in the flooding. That's where BoJo should be focussed.

A few weeks back, there were no cases in the UK. In a few weeks time, there will be more than 15 cases. IMO, it is highly likely that Covid-19 will kill more people in the UK than the flooding. I hope I'm wrong (obviously also not wanting deaths from flooding).