rogersix
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[Politics] Liz Truss **RESIGNS 20/10/2022**
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Do you understand them?
Thunder Bolt
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The EU Council have invited Liz Truss to a special meeting regarding Ukraine. We used to be there as a right.
Pretty pink fairy
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-australia-sign-historic-trade-deal
It's all there if you don't
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DF
Pretty pink fairy
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People who do understand trade deals better than you and me have already highlighted how this one has sold our farmers down the river. Do keep up.
rogersix
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Can you explain to me why they are better than the EU single market?
I spent seven days at a public inquiry recently - where the barrister on the other side (QC) kept referring to me and another objector to the proposal as 'Collaborators', always with quite a sneery tone. Eventually I asked him to stop using such a pejorative term, and anyway, what was wrong with two of talking together and working together. At which point he pretended all ignorance and said he was just using a common term, and it shouldn't be taken in the way we had taken it. Which was precisely how he wanted us to take it!
Pretty pink fairy
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I know it's good to see the EU calling on the top table in their hour of need
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DF
Pretty pink fairy
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because we voted to leave that years ago
, stop clinging on like shit to a blanket with the EU ,it's all over finished Regards
DF
rogersix
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because we voted to leave that years ago
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DF
No, no. The question is, why are the individual trade agreements BETTER than the EU single market?
BBassic
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Because we voted to leave, duh!
Which means, if you follow that logic through, if you voted for getting kicked in the balls every morning it would be better than not getting kicked in the balls every morning purely because you voted for it.
It's genius. GENIUS
rogersix
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well, suck my old stump! the poor little luv doesn't understand even what he posts, let alone a\nything else
rogersix
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because we voted to leave that years ago
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DF
so you've got no idea what you're talking about then. good, progress, now YOU know you're floundering, way out of your depth. you've learnt something, that's good, isn't it?
ever feel like you've been had?
At the time some of us voted to Leave, I am sure we had anticipated that our government was capable of negotiating a settlement with the EU that wouldn't place an even worse burden on UK business.
I did not, for one second, ever consider that the incompetent, corrupt, cockwomble Johnson would end up negotiating the parting of the ways with the EU. He was always going to **** it up like he has ****ed up everything else. May's deal would certainly have been significantly better.
Don't blame the Leave voters. Blame the Tories who rejected May's deal, removed her from office and installed a retard in her place. That's where your ire should be directed.
I did not, for one second, ever consider that the incompetent, corrupt, cockwomble Johnson would end up negotiating the parting of the ways with the EU. He was always going to **** it up like he has ****ed up everything else. May's deal would certainly have been significantly better.
Don't blame the Leave voters. Blame the Tories who rejected May's deal, removed her from office and installed a retard in her place. That's where your ire should be directed.
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I have to agree, I did not imagine that if Leave won we would leave both the customs union and the single market completely. I think this was one of the issues in the debate leading up to the referendum, most of those arguing against it presumed we would adopt a Norwegian or Swiss type arrangement, and therefore have a lot of the rules but no say in their formulation, when really they should have been arguing more that 3rd nation rules would screw us up badly.
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I'm afraid that however it's wrapped up, it just comes back to the simple point that people who voted Leave had no idea what they were voting for. And further to that, I'm afraid there is a very good case for saying that Johnson would be nowhere near Government now if it weren't for Leave voters.
Sorry, but I can't see who else could possibly be responsible
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You seem to know what you're talking about (and I apologise/didn't intend to tar you all with the same brush earlier on), but many leave voters don't care about the detail even though that is what is crucial, so I'm afraid I do continue to blame many of them. At the very least, we needed to stay in the customs union, thereby allowing seamless freedom of movement in Ireland which would have been a very small price to pay. In addition, a fee to access the single market should have been sensibly debated amongst Brexiteers, and not left for the head bangers on the extreme right like JRM to ignore.
Johnson and his useless government will be remembered as the very worst we've ever had in most people's living memory - they are all absolutely useless - and they have lumbered us with a Brexit deal that is in nobody's best interest.
He has nothing to offer on this or any other area of debate. It's just about repeating the same mantra with a couple of pathetic cliched sideswipes thrown in for good measure.