[Politics] Labour Anti Semitism - Against the faith or the Israeli State?

[Soylent Blue]

Don Jr retweeted the false anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that Soros was a Nazi who sold out other Jews that was picked up and promoted by Rosanne Barr.

This like everything else you posted is false. Soros wasn't a Nazi he was a willing collaborater as he admits here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tKvasRO54

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

This like everything else you posted is false. Soros wasn't a Nazi he was a willing collaborater as he admits here.

Seriously - you are suggest that this interview demonstrates that Soros (then a 14 year old boy) was a willing collaborator with the Nazis ? jeez.

I mean - let's look at Churchill who praised Mussolini, supported his invasion of Abyssinia,supported the vicious fascist coup of Franco in Spain, didn't have a problem with the Nuremburg laws, who was a willing supporter of appeasement (along with the rest of the British cabinet) and he openly called on Hitler to invade the Soviet Union - and may I add that Churchill was a long-time opponent of democracy (and attempted to prevent women and working class men getting the vote).

Now you can call a 14 year-old Jewish boy trying to survive by pretending to a Christian - being at the confiscation of Jewish property but not participating in it (like thousands of Jews were actually forced to do) - a willing Nazi collaborator - what then would you call Winston Churchill?

 

[Soylent Blue]

Seriously - you are suggest that this interview demonstrates that Soros (then a 14 year old boy) was a willing collaborator with the Nazis ? jeez.

I mean - let's look at Churchill who praised Mussolini, supported his invasion of Abyssinia,supported the vicious fascist coup of Franco in Spain, didn't have a problem with the Nuremburg laws, who was a willing supporter of appeasement (along with the rest of the British cabinet) and he openly called on Hitler to invade the Soviet Union - and may I add that Churchill was a long-time opponent of democracy (and attempted to prevent women and working class men getting the vote).

Now you can call a 14 year-old Jewish boy trying to survive by pretending to a Christian - being at the confiscation of Jewish property but not participating in it (like thousands of Jews were actually forced to do) - a willing Nazi collaborator - what then would you call Winston Churchill?

We are not talking about churchill I'm talking about you claiming others were saying Soros was a nazi, he wasn't he was a willing collaborator. There is another older interview where he is a lot less circumspect. The stanford experiments showed that given the situation almost anyone would join in and enjoy it.
All the video prooves is that he was comfortable exploiting people at his mercy which is similar to his habit of trying to circumvent Democracies. His fault or not is another issue which I would agree with you he had little choice. But life isn't fare.

I did provide proof, do you have any for your wild claims? such as....

Both sides were not at fault in Charlottesville - the Unite the Right Rally was a fascist rally intent on whipping up racial and anti-Semitic hatred. His 'condemnation' of the white nationalists had to be dragged out through his teeth days after the violence.

No ones claiming it wasn't the fault of unite the right, they are saying there was trouble makers on both sides, antifa dont limit their violence to facists. Do you have any evidence it had to be dragged out of him days later?

 

[Soylent Blue]

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...t-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

If you can weave your way through the Trump garbled English he ws talking about the protest the previous day, the press were trying to trap him and they got more Trump babble.

Now unless it concerns the topic of this thread I am done with your whataboutery, goalpost moving and false equivellence. You are also looking at motives rather than outcomes but whatever.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

another example of the Tories attitude to the Jewish community in Britain -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nancy-astor-statue-theresa-may-boris-johnson-antisemitism-plymouth-a9226106.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Xq6ehjK0X9VjDWzoomPPOsUQHdgz_i7IeXTrwrZxm7hOoS_QgXJsOUzI#Echobox=1575056066

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Oh dear Labour especially Corbyn

 

[Is it PotG?]

Starmer still doesn't want to say he's necessarily getting rid of Jezza, why's that?



What happened to the ice cool interrogator?

 

[Wardy's twin]

Starmer still doesn't want to say he's necessarily getting rid of Jezza, why's that?

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What happened to the ice cool interrogator?

simple there is no need to make a martyr for the far left as he will just fade away and at this point of national crisis why create a diversion which will take the focus away from the shambles which is our current government

 

[Is it PotG?]

simple there is no need to make a martyr for the far left as he will just fade away and at this point of national crisis why create a diversion which will take the focus away from the shambles which is our current government

Some punctuation would have made it easier to read, but I get where you're coming from.

I see your point, it's not really important right now so just forget it.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

simple there is no need to make a martyr for the far left as he will just fade away and at this point of national crisis why create a diversion which will take the focus away from the shambles which is our current government

Ok.

 

[symyjym]

I get it now. The thread starter, an anti semite accusing others of Islamophobia

The cover has has been exposed here

 

[Is it PotG?]

I consider anti semitism as against the Jewish faith. Seems that the Israeli State propaganda machine has managed to make normally sane people believe that criticism of their behaviour is anti semitic. As it is frequently used to slag off Corbyn, and the Labour Party, what is your opinion?

What do you make of this report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission Dave?

A bit of propaganda?

12 thumbs up too, not disturbing whatsoever.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Oh dear Labour especially Corbyn

Unsurprisingly, Luciana Berger scathing about Corbyn's reaction.

 

[daveinplzen]

I get it now. The thread starter, an anti semite accusing others of Islamophobia

The cover has has been exposed here

Yeah, an anti semite with a family name of Feiler.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Starmer still doesn't want to say he's necessarily getting rid of Jezza, why's that?

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What happened to the ice cool interrogator?

simple there is no need to make a martyr for the far left as he will just fade away and at this point of national crisis why create a diversion which will take the focus away from the shambles which is our current government

Maybe doing something about Corbyn would deflect from the bigger issue at the moment.

Mrs DiS has told me that Starmer spoke powerfully about it this morning, including there is no room in the Labour party for anyone who refutes or denies any of the findings........ or something like that. It seems to me that he is duty bound to expel Corbyn if he does deny it..... and I would be disappointed if he didn't.

Corbyn has already said that anti-semitism was grossly exaggerated by Labour's opponents, which is possibly/probably true, and is not denying it happened, and is possibly acknowledging that it did happen.

We shall see.

 

[daveinplzen]

What do you make of this report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission Dave?

A bit of propaganda?

12 thumbs up too, not disturbing whatsoever.

If anti semitism has been found, regardless of how slight it is, it should be rooted out. However, the large majority of the accusations of anti semitism relate to actions by the Israeli State. Not the faith.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

A report into allegations of anti-Semitism in Labour found the party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination".

The UK's human rights watchdog identified "serious failings" under former leader Jeremy Corbyn to deal with anti-Jewish racism.

And the watchdog said Mr Corbyn's office had "politically interfered" in the complaints process.

Labour's new leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was "a day of shame".

 

[Live by the sea]

To focus solely and single out the tiny country of Israel whilst ignoring other far worse things happening in other countries like China & Russia and even the Kurd situation in Turkey does make it anti Semitic because you are holding Israel to higher standards of behaviour than any other country .

So please don’t make that excuse because it’s not a credible one unless you are using it as cover for your true feelings .

 

[mikeyjh]

If anti semitism has been found, regardless of how slight it is, it should be rooted out. However, the large majority of the accusations of anti semitism relate to actions by the Israeli State. Not the faith.

Quite - It doesn't take a great deal of intellect to understand this but some still fail miserably.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not all, but most of it.

I have begun to realise that there are elements in the media who will attempt to beat Corbyn with any stick to hand. Even if it isn't a stick. Or to hand.

[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is right about failing to deal properly with the 'situation' in his party, though.

One of my brothers cannot discuss antisemitism with me without soon ranting about the mistreatment of the Palestinians. Once people stop conflating these issues, all the 'no smoke without fire' will stop. Yes I appreciate that Corbyn's opponents are stoking the fire, but there is no need for Corbyn supporters to keep on falling into the same trap again and again (of conflation, and sounding like they are excusing the anti-Israel brigade).

Also it would help if the left remembered to condemn the Likud party and the corrupt current leader, and not keep condemning the 'state of Israel'. The State of Israel is legitimate. May as well condemn 'The State of the UK' when criticising Boris, or, indeed, the labour party.

Folk will of course spin it to suit their agenda.

Having condemned Corbyn for years, I'm now fed up with all this whataboutery. Boris is a gold plated thundercunt. Corbyn isn't. Moreover, he's our best chance of draining the Boris cesspit, so labour's getting my vote.

.....someone just thumbsed this up so I'll update.

I rejoined the party when Starmer won. As I just posted in a PM to one of my NSC pals:

Meanwhile, today we have the party back in the spotlight with an excoriating criticism of the 'antisemitism' debacle. Corbyn's statement was eloquent today yet he still ended it by blaming the media. He Just Doesn't Get It. I hope that Starmer blames Corbyn for his weak leadership, and vows (again) to make amends. The idea of my labour party engaging in Israel-bashing and 'Jew-baiting' infuriates me. My middle brother falls into that wormhole every time the Palestinians come up. Yes we know Netanyahu is playing to his right wing gallery, but we don't boycott our own country just because we have (like now) a potentially dangerous faux right wing lunatic in charge (Boris isn't right wing, and I don't think Bibi is either, under the posteuring). Making an exception of Israel is pure antisemitism.