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[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

if you mean putting your foot on top of the ball is playing very well then fair enough but as someone has already said, why hasn't he started since?

Good question and the answer is.... he can't cross!

That and the fact that Terim had expected CKR to be a third forward sneaking in like Mevlut from the wings.

Since then he's gone for the two up front option with proper wingers. CKR is not good enough to play up front and is not a real winger.

The fact is Turkey played badly againsy Portugal whereas CKR played well. On a good night CKR wouldnt get man of the match. When Turkey is firing.. he wouldnt be playing.

 

[Dirty Dave]

I think his "value" will go up the further Turkey progress, however far that will be

 

[Man of Harveys]

Good question and the answer is.... he can't cross!

That and the fact that Terim had expected CKR to be a third forward sneaking in like Mevlut from the wings.

Since then he's gone for the two up front option with proper wingers. CKR is not good enough to play up front and is not a real winger.

The fact is Turkey played badly againsy Portugal whereas CKR played well. On a good night CKR wouldnt get man of the match. When Turkey is firing.. he wouldnt be playing.

A point perfectly illustrated by the MINGER of a cross that CKR put in right in the middle of Nihat's carnage the other night.

 

[DJ Leon]

A point perfectly illustrated by the MINGER of a cross that CKR put in right in the middle of Nihat's carnage the other night.

I did laugh it was so bad, but let's be fair, he did put in 2 beauts just before. No-one was good enough to get on the end of them.

 

[Elder for England]

if you mean putting your foot on top of the ball is playing very well then fair enough but as someone has already said, why hasn't he started since?

Completely agree. He's so over-rated on here.

I don't think he has played that well at all so far, especially against Czech Republic, he did two half decent things and the rest he was absolutely useless.

 

[Elder for England]

They paid £1.5m for him last summer, and since then he's played in the champions league, scored against Chelsea, and done ok in the European Championships. He IS worth more than £2m, however much some nscers want to maintain he's rubbish. Just because he was around at the same time as McGhee and Leon Knight doesn't mean he's a complete headcase. I've never seen any evidence to suggest he has a problem, and on the pitch he's developing into a quality player (certainly someone a million miles too good for a club like ours). Just let it go, people!

It's not a case of him being around the time of McGhee and Knight and having a bias view on him. I can only speak for myself, but having watched him play in the Euros cannot see how people come to the conclusion he's a 'quality' player. I have no problem giving credit where it's due if they do turn out to be a brilliant player.

But the truth of the matter is, people along with the commentators have been sucked in and seem to think he is better than he actually is.

 

[sten_super]

It's not a case of him being around the time of McGhee and Knight and having a bias view on him. I can only speak for myself, but having watched him play in the Euros cannot see how people come to the conclusion he's a 'quality' player. I have no problem giving credit where it's due if they do turn out to be a brilliant player.

But the truth of the matter is, people along with the commentators have been sucked in and seem to think he is better than he actually is.

He's in the Turkey squad, he's around the fringes of the starting XI. You don't get there by being crap. It seems people want him to fail and be shit, just so they can say 'told you so'. He's not Diego Maradona, but he has done bloody well for himself to get where he's got to in such a short period of time.

Of course the commentators are building him up; they do that to every player that they know, and that plays in the Euros. They are also trying to stoke up some interest from the general populace; and a young lad from London who has made it big may just get them some additional viewers.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Taylor do stop lying son it's starting to get me down as well now

 

[Elder for England]

I don't think anyone would claim he's played brilliantly, but the point is he's in a EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP. Two years ago he was playing at Withdean. His level of improvement and success is incredible, and he should be congratulated for that. Instead, lots of people on here, as fans of a mediocre league one team, are having a pop at a bloke who's playing champions league and international football. Stewart Downing's not very good for England, but it doesn't mean Brighton and Hove Albion fans have the right to call him useless!

Course we have a right to comment, we have a right to comment on anything we like.

Yes, people are claiming that. People are claiming he's worth £2million!!!

*Correction on his level of improvement*

In my view he is playing exactly as he did for us (which to be honest was quite average), he was bought from us to a Premiership club which put him 'in the shop window' he did very little for them, scored a fantastic goal and was bought by Fenerbache. Yes he's playing in the EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP for Turkey, only because of Fenerbache and not playing very well at that.

To be honest he has been extreemely lucky.

 

[Elder for England]

He's in the Turkey squad, he's around the fringes of the starting XI. You don't get there by being crap. It seems people want him to fail and be shit, just so they can say 'told you so'. He's not Diego Maradona, but he has done bloody well for himself to get where he's got to in such a short period of time.

Of course the commentators are building him up; they do that to every player that they know, and that plays in the Euros. They are also trying to stoke up some interest from the general populace; and a young lad from London who has made it big may just get them some additional viewers.

I didn't say he was crap I said he was over-rated which he is. Like I said in another post he is most probably only in the Turkey side because of playing at Fenerbache, otherwise I very much doubt he would be. All I have seen him do is score a couple of wonder goals other than that cannot see what else he brings to a team. It shouldn't go unoticed that, (of course you have to be half decent to get into an international side) but Turkey are hardly a nation of fantastic players.

 

[beorhthelm]

... I've never seen any evidence to suggest he has a problem...

you clearly havent seen his interviews recently or heard Warnocks appraisal of him. im not a knocker, he certainly has talent (which McGhee spotted), but he also has massive ego that quite literally gets in the way of the footballing.

 

[sten_super]

Course we have a right to comment, we have a right to comment on anything we like.

Yes, people are claiming that. People are claiming he's worth £2million!!!

*Correction on his level of improvement*

In my view he is playing exactly as he did for us (which to be honest was quite average), he was bought from us to a Premiership club which put him 'in the shop window' he did very little for them, scored a fantastic goal and was bought by Fenerbache. Yes he's playing in the EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP for Turkey, only because of Fenerbache and not playing very well at that.

To be honest he has been extreemely lucky.

I'm sorry, but that is bollocks. If he was playing at the standard of an average-to-poor Championship player, then he would stand out like a sore thumb as being substantially worse than everyone else in Turkeys game. Likewise while playing for Fenerbache in the Champions League. But he hasn't; hasn't set the world alight, but hasn't looked out of place in these games. He's a dramatically better player now than when he played for us; as you would expect after two years training with better players, in better facilities.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

We all knew the lad had ability, I don't think anyone would argue with that, the reason he's never been popular anywhere he's played is because he never displays that ability on a consistent basis, and gives every impression he thinks he's above having to do certain tasks on the pitch.

From my recollection, most of the games he started for the Albion, he was pretty tame, looked lazy and/or unfit by about 60 minutes. When he came on as sub, he tended to make more of an impression, but at some point you have to do the business regularly, not fall back on the old "I'm misunderstood by the manager" argument.

The other reason why I maintain he would never, ever have succeeded at the Albion, even if we'd had Jose Mourinho managing instead of McGhee, is that I'm quietly convinced the majority of the other players thought he was a complete arse. I had reason to meet him once, and found him rude, sulky and very much of the "don't you know who I am?" persuasion.

I've had three or four current Albion players describe him as a "wanker" to me while I was working one night and bumped into them out on the piss, and I think it was Paul Reid who gave a fairly scathing impression in a newspaper column.

If you think CKR was misunderstood and ill-treated here, why don't you ask his former team-mates what they think of him?

None of this impacts on his ability of course, but it will affect his value and chances of getting a move to a decent club. Managers talk to each other, and will be aware of the baggage he carries alongside his well-documented skill.

 

[Elder for England]

I'm sorry, but that is bollocks. If he was playing at the standard of an average-to-poor Championship player, then he would stand out like a sore thumb as being substantially worse than everyone else in Turkeys game. Likewise while playing for Fenerbache in the Champions League. But he hasn't; hasn't set the world alight, but hasn't looked out of place in these games. He's a dramatically better player now than when he played for us; as you would expect after two years training with better players, in better facilities.

That's my opinion. I don't think he is doing much more than what he did here. Ability to score a goal outside the penalty area, put in a couple of half decent crosses, sometimes a good first touch. All these things he displayed at the Albion and in the Euros. The reason he doesnt' look out of place is because he is playing with better players compared to ours.

 

[Simster]

If you think CKR was misunderstood and ill-treated here, why don't you ask his former team-mates what they think of him?

No need. There is one on this very thread who thinks he's shit.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Kazim Richards should have played for England,played and scored for Chelsea not against them,but has become the best player at Euro 2008 in spite of being undervalued by everybody.

£2m is chickenfeed these days,and Real Madrid will probably be tapping him up as we debate.This will start an auction which will continue through to the end of the transfer window,when he will finally sign for his dream team at the Camp Nou for circa £23m.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Would Colin Kazim-Richards get in the England squad?

Answer no. Ironic given that we didn't qualify for Euro 2008 and Turkey did, but if anyone thinks there aren't dozens of English midfielders/strikers who would be ahead of him in the queue for an England shirt, they're deluding himself.

Has he ever displayed consistent ability in the Premier League?

Answer no. He was mainly on the bench at Sheffield United.

Therefore I would suggest that a club like Hull or Stoke would be exactly his level.