Jeremy Corbyn.

[bWize]

I thinkyou need to read a bit more, sociALISM is the transition stage to communism.

No it isn't... You either have a socialist idiology or a communist idiology! Do you really think Corbyn wants to start having murials and statues of himself around Britain to remind people whos boss whilst monitoring everyones daily movements? (Id take a look closer at the current government where thats concerned) the two are worlds apart in 2015 and the comparing Corbyn and Labour to historic communist movements is laughable.

 

[Working class pride]

No it isn't... You either have a socialist idiology or a communist idiology! Do you really think Corbyn wants to start having murials and statues of himself around Britain to remind people whos boss whilst monitoring everyones daily movements? (Id take a look closer at the current government where thats concerned) the two are worlds apart in 2015 and the comparing Corbyn and Labour to historic communist movements is laughable.

No he doesn't but Corbyn like every socialist, whether Castro, Hitler or Stalin believes that he as a politician "creates jobs" and therefore creates the market. He wants to control the creation of jobs, instead of letting you and me decide what we want and then jobs are created or lost to meet that demand accordingly. A very very dangerous infringement on your and my civil liberty. Perhaps one you don't entirely follow because you have been lucky to live in a free market economy. Risk, reward and freedom over politician created demand, state control and a politicians view of "the greater good" any day. Socialism is described in cuddly terms by the BBC but the reality is that it is a horrific ideology for anyone who likes individual freedom. Was it 1988 that the Berlin Wall came down and people still have not learnt and sign up to this horrible infringement on the individual.

 

[pb21]

He wants to control the creation of jobs, instead of letting you and me decide what we want and then jobs are created or lost to meet that demand accordingly.

Does he? I have to say I haven't heard him say that! I think you maybe getting over excited and assuming that because he is labelled as a 'socialist' he is effectively Stalin reincarnated.

 

[Working class pride]

Does he? I have to say I haven't heard him say that! I think you maybe getting over excited and assuming that because he is labelled as a 'socialist' he is effectively Stalin reincarnated.

Afraid he does think that he as a politician "creates jobs". He said so in his acceptance speech and by his own admission he is a fully paid up socialist. He thinks he can predict demand. He can't and he shouldn't try, let me and you decide what we want not him. He may dress like a geography teacher instead of wearing shiny boots and a military uniform but its the same totalitarian scary stuff. He now leads the opposition and I wouldnt assume that he wont win an election. The BBC love him and politicians like him promising that he will provide for people will buy many many votes. It is a scary thought but we may have been saved from socialism in 1945 and then again after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and we may have been the haven for many from Eastern Europe who are escaping the fall out of totalitarian regimes only to end up with a socialist running the country.

 

[beorhthelm]

A socialist does not "believe in the state controlling your life" I don't know where you learnt that from?

from understanding socialism. socialism believes in social ownership and control of industry and the economy. this requires state control to put into effect. the principle of state control is one of the key differences between the Liberals and Labour movement, who otherwise eschew similar views. it doesnt go as far as communism, certainly doesnt mean statues of the party leader, but its certainly on that side and opposing liberal concepts.

 

[pb21]

Afraid he does think that he as a politician "creates jobs". He said so in his acceptance speech and by his own admission he is a fully paid up socialist. He thinks he can predict demand. He can't and he shouldn't try, let me and you decide what we want not him. He may dress like a geography teacher instead of wearing shiny boots and a military uniform but its the same totalitarian scary stuff. He now leads the opposition and I wouldnt assume that he wont win an election. The BBC love him and politicians like him promising that he will provide for people will buy many many votes. It is a scary thought but we may have been saved from socialism in 1945 and then again after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and we may have been the haven for many from Eastern Europe who are escaping the fall out of totalitarian regimes only to end up with a socialist running the country.

I didn't see his full speech, but thinking about it all politicians say they create jobs, including this from the conservative 2015 manifesto:

"The team which has delivered the growing economy we have today, which created more jobs since 2010 than the rest of the European Union put together."

Those pesky socialist conservatives creating jobs and not giving us a choice. I can see where you are coming from but Corbyn =/= Stalin.

 

[Working class pride]

I didn't see his full speech, but thinking about it all politicians say they create jobs, including this from the conservative 2015 manifesto:



Those pesky socialist conservatives creating jobs and not giving us a choice. I can see where you are coming from but Corbyn =/= Stalin.

True Cameron says it with regularity but you know he doesnt believe in the state creation of a market. Corbyn however does believe that he as a politician should control your and my wants and interfere with the creation of supply / demand and jobs. The fact that someone like that now could be PM is a very scary thought. I dont go along with the "he won't win" mantra either. Look at the SNP. They promised everyone in Scotland that they would provide for them and a country of 5 million voted for them. Also the BBC are on Corbyn's side. They believe in state control. From being a free market / liberal country and a safe haven for those who fled socialism and totalitarian control, we have a fully paid up socialist as leader of the opposition.

 

[Seagull58]

I didn't see his full speech, but thinking about it all politicians say they create jobs, including this from the conservative 2015 manifesto:



Those pesky socialist conservatives creating jobs and not giving us a choice. I can see where you are coming from but Corbyn =/= Stalin.

The conservative manifesto says that the economy created the jobs once they had improved the economy, not that they had created the jobs.

 

[driller]

Tough words already.

 

[1066familyman]

Fantastic result for British democracy today.

At last, Labour back to its roots and now hopefully real opposition to the Tories and away from centre ground nonsense that has been failing poor and vulnerable people for far took long.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Afraid he does think that he as a politician "creates jobs". He said so in his acceptance speech and by his own admission he is a fully paid up socialist. He thinks he can predict demand. He can't and he shouldn't try, let me and you decide what we want not him. He may dress like a geography teacher instead of wearing shiny boots and a military uniform but its the same totalitarian scary stuff. He now leads the opposition and I wouldnt assume that he wont win an election. The BBC love him and politicians like him promising that he will provide for people will buy many many votes. It is a scary thought but we may have been saved from socialism in 1945 and then again after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and we may have been the haven for many from Eastern Europe who are escaping the fall out of totalitarian regimes only to end up with a socialist running the country.

What utter bollocks.

Fantastic result for British democracy today.

At last, Labour back to its roots and now hopefully real opposition to the Tories and away from centre ground nonsense that has been failing poor and vulnerable people for far took long.

This.

 

[BensGrandad]

What are the odds now being offered on him becoming PM.? Or still being labour leader at the next election?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

great news today

totally unelectable like miliband & Kinnock before him

 

[Chicken Run]

Fantastic result for British democracy today.

At last, Labour back to its roots and now hopefully real opposition to the Tories and away from centre ground nonsense that has been failing poor and vulnerable people for far took long.

Yes the fight back has started, he clearly doesn't like confrontation, he bottle the Andrew Marr show and now I'm hearing he's bottled PMQ's too suggesting others can ask the questions [emoji3]

 

[Ernest]

Fantastic result for British democracy today.

At last, Labour back to its roots and now hopefully real opposition to the Tories and away from centre ground nonsense that has been failing poor and vulnerable people for far took long.

Very much so

 

[Bozza]

Very much so

You called Labour as the winners of the last election so if Corbyn getting in pleases you, then it pleases me.

 

[jgmcdee]

True Cameron says it with regularity but you know he doesnt believe in the state creation of a market. Corbyn however does believe that he as a politician should control your and my wants and interfere with the creation of supply / demand and jobs.

So Cameron says that he creates jobs but doesn't believe that he should and Corbyn doesn't say that he will create jobs but believes that he should? You'll have to explain why the former is so much better than the latter.

And the current government directly controls the pay of 1/6 of the working population and regulates many of the rest in various ways so it's hardly a free market out there.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

totally unelectable like miliband & Kinnock before him

World's moved on since Kinnock. And nobody of ANY political persuasion believed in Miliband's spiel. Very much doubt he believed in it himself. Corbyn's nailing his colours to the mast for all to see and to accept or reject. At least there's now a clear-cut choice of what you want to vote FOR. The Scottish independence referendum showed that it is actually possible to engage the electorate. Time to roll out the experiment nationwide.

 

[Ernest]

You called Labour as the winners of the last election so if Corbyn getting in pleases you, then it pleases me.

If you're happy then I'm happy too

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

World's moved on since Kinnock. And nobody of ANY political persuasion believed in Miliband's spiel. Very much doubt he believed in it himself. Corbyn's nailing his colours to the mast for all to see and to accept or reject. At least there's now a clear-cut choice of what you want to vote FOR. The Scottish independence referendum showed that it is actually possible to engage the electorate. Time to roll out the experiment nationwide.

look forward to it

the scots said no to independance because of the majority protestant vote and that ain't gonna change any time soon