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Jeremy Corbyn.



seagulls4ever

New member
Oct 2, 2003
4,338
Baffled by these comments. Labour might've just got its most popular leader since Blair.

Yep. He's been completely underestimated by so many people. But look at his results - what a mandate. He's made me - and so many others - enthused with Labour again. I'm very much hoping he proves a lot of people wrong.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,690
Baffled by these comments. Labour might've just got its most popular leader since Blair.

For sure. At least there will be clear daylight between the two parties and a real choice for the electorate rather than last time when it was a choice (apart from in Brighton Pavilion) between voting Tory or Tory Lite. Corbyn's election may well go a long way towards reclaiming Labour's traditional voters, as well as hopefully providing a credible anti-austerity platform for those who have not had access to one before.
 


Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
17,927
Fiveways
For sure. At least there will be clear daylight between the two parties and a real choice for the electorate rather than last time when it was a choice (apart from in Brighton Pavilion) between voting Tory or Tory Lite. Corbyn's election may well go a long way towards reclaiming Labour's traditional voters, as well as hopefully providing a credible anti-austerity platform for those who have not had access to one before.

Yup. It's funny. I'm currently listening to the Roar, where they're focusing on disability issues. Disabled people have been hit ten times harder by austerity.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,634
Vilamoura, Portugal
Not sure about clear blue water. It is the same set of MPs that are there. It is just the bloke at the front that has changed. Surely he will have to remove a heck of a lot of MPs to provide a radically different party? Otherwise its him and a load of the old same lot?

You elect a leader because of the policies he stands for. It's up to him t use his mandate to ensure those policies are adopted by the party. You've got to assume that if you're a labour MP and you stand up and say you're against the key policies he's promoting then you won't be in the shadow cabinet.
 


Dick Swiveller

Well-known member
Sep 9, 2011
9,587
Baffled by these comments. Labour might've just got its most popular leader since Blair.
Popular with old school labour supporters. I firmly believe that the country has enough reasonably well-off people that a proper left wing party are extremely unlikely to get in. This from someone who really dislikes hard core Tories and is probably left leaning. It took Blair moving to the right to get back in and I can't see that changing. Miliband was doing well until the scare stories he would do a deal with the left wing SNP. A sad indictment on mankind but an awful lot of people aren't prepared to be slightly worse off to make other people better off. The failure to clamp down on benefit cheats is probably one of the main reasons. Talk of increasing benefits and most people will think straight away of chavs/immigrants buying Sky and XBoxes. So we have a shameful number of people relying on Foodbanks.
 




Billy the Fish

Technocrat
Oct 18, 2005
17,594
Haywards Heath
Corbyn's election may well go a long way towards reclaiming Labour's traditional voters.

I think this is the point, Labour's traditional support isn't enough to get them elected. Especially now they've been obliterated in Scotland.

Give it a year and Corbyn will realise he needs to claim the centre ground to get elected, just like everyone else.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,063
Yep. He's been completely underestimated by so many people. But look at his results - what a mandate.

what mandate? he has a mandate to lead a party, nothing more, and that from less than 1% of the population. the 75% of the public that didnt vote Labour in 2015 arent necessarily going to simply support someone who sounds nice and a bit of change in politics. theres 4 years for other parties to respond, and for his policies to be fleshed out, critiqued, digested etc
 


Kuipers Supporters Club

Well-known member
Feb 10, 2009
5,781
GOSBTS
1992 - Centre Right
1997 - Centre
2001 - Centre
2005 - Centre
2010 - Centre Right
2015 - Right of Centre

Fairplay Corbyn stands up for what he believes but I just can't see the appetite for a far left party of Government.
 




Nibble

New member
Jan 3, 2007
19,238
Good stuff, that'll be a true labour win next election then and we can get on with the business of repairing our country. Our country that the Tory's will have practically sold off and destroyed by 2010 but now there's hope. Hope at last. Fantastic news. Fanbloodytastic
 




Feb 14, 2010
4,932
He is a socialist and all nasty regimes in Europe, whether Germany or USSR were forms of socialism. Like all socialists he believes that he knows what is best and the state control of the life of you and me. Like all socialists, he believes that he can and should predict people's wants and influence the freedom of the market. He does not understand the benefits of a risk and reward economy. The freedom we take for granted that allows everyone to open and run a company without some state official being involved. He needs to speak to people who lived under socialist regimes in Germany and Eastern Europe. I'm sure he is a genuine individual but then being genuine is only good depending on what they have genuine belief's about. The socialist totalitarian dictators in Germany and the USSR had genuine if nasty beliefs. I wont say he wont win power but if he does then it shows just what short memories people have. I dont want any politician running my life and I want the freedom to strive. Was the fall of the Berlin Wall that long ago?
 




wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
NSC Patron
Aug 10, 2007
13,960
Melbourne
How can anyone say that before all the partied manifestos have been released for 2020? We have no idea who we would vote for as we don't know what policies they will be pushing for 2020.

As a confirmed Tory, 'Thank you very much, thank you very, very, very much!'.
 




Bry Nylon

Test your smoke alarm
Helpful Moderator
Jul 21, 2003
20,665
Playing snooker
Corbyn appeals to voters in seats that Labour will win anyway.

How much chance does he have of winning the handful of key marginals that will decide the next election?

None.
 




portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
18,028
portslade
Not sure voters would vote for another free spending and don't worry about the consequences government again.... we are still attempting to get ourselves out of the mess the last labour government left us in. This will be what either makes or breaks him, he will need to change somewhat in this sense
 


Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
Very, very happy with this result and strong rumours of McDonnell as his shadow chancellor would just be the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. Well done all round!
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Corbyn appeals to voters in seats that Labour will win anyway.

How much chance does he have of winning the handful of key marginals that will decide the next election?

None.

He needs to win Scotland back or do a deal with the SNP.
 


wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
NSC Patron
Aug 10, 2007
13,960
Melbourne
Good stuff, that'll be a true labour win next election then and we can get on with the business of repairing our country. Our country that the Tory's will have practically sold off and destroyed by 2010 but now there's hope. Hope at last. Fantastic news. Fanbloodytastic

Well, you guys are certainly all enthusiastic again! But do you remember last time you were all so hopeful, about 4 months ago? It will all end in tears again.
 




Honky Tonx

New member
Jun 9, 2014
872
Lewes
A fantastic day for the Conservatives. Labour have committed suicide. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
 


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
Very, very happy with this result and strong rumours of McDonnell as his shadow chancellor would just be the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. Well done all round!
Exactly just got to put up with 600 odd pages of how the new messiah will win the next election by 7 points
 


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