Jeremy Corbyn.

[Chicken Run]

I can confirm he's a Tory, does that help?

 

[bWize]

Marvellous news! The tide is turning! Now all thats needed is an Albion win and it will be the perfect Saturday!

 

[wellquickwoody]

I don't understand how anyone can be a confirmed anything!

Be honest, you just don't understand......

 

[carteater]

I don't believe that Labour will win the next election (and I voted for Corbyn), but I don't believe that the Tories will win either, I predict a Labour/SNP coalition, the stuff of nightmares for some, but at least it won't be a Tory government.

 

[Billy the Fish]

So? Surely it is about time we had politicians who speak what they believe instead of those who just alter what they say to get elected?

For that reason I think he'll be a good opposition leader. I predict he'll give Cameron a bloody nose in parliament quite regularly, but he will never get elected.

 

[Ernest]

#jezwedid

 

[bWize]

He is a socialist and all nasty regimes in Europe, whether Germany or USSR were forms of socialism. Like all socialists he believes that he knows what is best and the state control of the life of you and me. Like all socialists, he believes that he can and should predict people's wants and influence the freedom of the market. He does not understand the benefits of a risk and reward economy. The freedom we take for granted that allows everyone to open and run a company without some state official being involved. He needs to speak to people who lived under socialist regimes in Germany and Eastern Europe. I'm sure he is a genuine individual but then being genuine is only good depending on what they have genuine belief's about. The socialist totalitarian dictators in Germany and the USSR had genuine if nasty beliefs. I wont say he wont win power but if he does then it shows just what short memories people have. I dont want any politician running my life and I want the freedom to strive. Was the fall of the Berlin Wall that long ago?

What an absolute loads of bollocks! If you are seriously comparing Corbyn (and the future Labour party) to Hitler and the Nazis then I think you need to take a lie down! You sound a very confused individial!

 

[Billy the Fish]

I predict a Labour/SNP coalition, the stuff of nightmares for some, but at least it won't be a Tory government.

If there's even a hint of that happening in 2020 England will turn as Blue as the sea!

 

[dingodan]

I think it's good to have an honest upfront unabashed liberal leading the Labour party.

Now if we can get an honest upfront unabashed conservative to lead the Conservative party, we could actually have a real debate..

 

[Working class pride]

What an absolute loads of bollocks! If you are seriously comparing Corbyn (and the future Labour party) to Hitler and the Nazis then I think you need to take a lie down! You sound a very confused individial!

You are dealing in absolutes. No he is not "like Hitler or Stalin" but he does "like" Hitler, Stalin and every other socialist, believe in state control of a person. I know a few Russian's and others who lived under socialist totalitarian states who lived, as many have moved to london. One interesting thing that sums up the difference between freedom and socialism is wages. In a free society you have a market and freedom of choice. You decide to be a doctor, a trader, a candle stick maker. The market will determine your pay. In the USSR there was differences in pay between people. However the market did not determine your pay, it would be a state official. A politician decided who should get paid what. You either believe in that or you dont. Corbyn does. I don't.

 

[Working class pride]

I think it's good to have an honest upfront unabashed liberal leading the Labour party.

Now if we can get an honest upfront unabashed conservative to lead the Conservative party, we could actually have a real debate..

He is a socialist, a man who believes in the state controlling your life. That is the reverse of liberal.

 

[Biscuit Barrel]

Good stuff, that'll be a true labour win next election then and we can get on with the business of repairing our country. Our country that the Tory's will have practically sold off and destroyed by 2010 but now there's hope. Hope at last. Fantastic news. Fanbloodytastic

When was the last time a left wing/socialist party won a general election in the UK?

There are plenty of left wing/socialist people in the UK, but is there enough of them to win an election? It was only a few months ago that a right of centre party won the last election. There was not a high desire for left wing/socialist politics in the build up to the last election, or Millaband would have seized on it.

I am pleased that there is now a clear difference between the two main parties. Politics should be a lot more interesting now.

 

[Hugo Rune]

As the Tories have been given a 'bye' in the next election, perhaps Mr Cameron will reconsider not standing in 2020? As a fan of progressive & pragmatic politics, it's a sad day indeed. If 80's politics to return, let's hope nothing else from that awful decade does.

 

[Acker79]

I personally think Labour have been struggling because of bland, weak leadership, and a feeling of 'same old same old'. The same problem the Conservatives had while Blair was in power. We may not like it, we may have an ideal that politics is/should be about policy, but a leader that stands out and gives their party a clear sense of direction is a major benefit to a political party.

Of course, big events, such as recessions and wars can also impact on things, but generally speaking politics is as much about perception, charisma, and these sorts of superficial things.

And speaking of perception, and all things related (spin, pr etc), the conservatives are not going to be honest in comments over labour leadership. They won't honestly say who they don't want, won't honestly say who they'd prefer. They will want to appear indifferent, pleased even with whoever won it. But actually, what will make them happy is a labour party in disarray, split philosophically, not unified enough to act against the Tories.

A landslide victory for Corbyn is not a good sign. It will be interesting to see what happens with the labour party now - will the 30-40% that didn't vote for Corbyn get behind him, provide a unified party pulling in the same direction, or give the tories what they want and start in fighting? It's only when we know that answer that we can talk about how good things are for the conservative party.


Centre politics is popular because neither side is right all the time and a bit of left and a bit of right is good for a democratic country with citizens that vary in beliefs (political, social, etc). If you want to hope politics wins over perception, then perhaps having a Corbyn, who appears to be a strong and principled politician, albeit a far left one, will be a good thing. He will be able to stand up and argue his side well, and not give Cameron the easy ride that a bland centre left leader would.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

So? Surely it is about time we had politicians who speak what they believe instead of those who just alter what they say to get elected?

Then join a pressure group not a political party.

 

[bWize]

He is a socialist, a man who believes in the state controlling your life. That is the reverse of liberal.

I think you need to go and learn the difference between a communist and a socialist. A socialist does not "believe in the state controlling your life" I don't know where you learnt that from?

 

[brakespear]

Tom Watson as deputy

 

[looney]

I think you need to go and learn the difference between a communist and a socialist. A socialist does not "believe in the state controlling your life" I don't know where you learnt that from?

I thinkyou need to read a bit more, sociALISM is the transition stage to communism.

 

[Working class pride]

I think you need to go and learn the difference between a communist and a socialist. A socialist does not "believe in the state controlling your life" I don't know where you learnt that from?

National Socialist, Communist, Socialist. All believe that a politician will decide what you will earn because they believe that they have the ability to predict demand and they have some authority over the right of the individual. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, the fact that a socialist is now the leader of the official opposition is a step towards state control of my life. I would ask anyone who is tempted by socialism to meet people who had the misfortune to live in a totalitarian socialist state. Why do you think that a politician should decide what people do or what they earn with their life. Its up to me and you, not the "state". Socialists by definition curb the individuals freedom for the greater good of the politician who decides what that greater good is. It sends a shiver down my spine when people listen to such dangerous talk. The last time I felt such a concern was after the false and media led "outpouring of grief" when Diana died. or at the Queen's Jubilee. A single mantra that made me think I had woken up in some tin pot totalitarian state. Just ask anyone from Eastern Europe and you will know how lucky we are, let's not give Number 10 to someone who believe "in the state" rather than the individual.

 

[looney]

I personally think Labour have been struggling because of bland, weak leadership, and a feeling of 'same old same old'. The same problem the Conservatives had while Blair was in power. We may not like it, we may have an ideal that politics is/should be about policy, but a leader that stands out and gives their party a clear sense of direction is a major benefit to a political party.

Of course, big events, such as recessions and wars can also impact on things, but generally speaking politics is as much about perception, charisma, and these sorts of superficial things.

And speaking of perception, and all things related (spin, pr etc), the conservatives are not going to be honest in comments over labour leadership. They won't honestly say who they don't want, won't honestly say who they'd prefer. They will want to appear indifferent, pleased even with whoever won it. But actually, what will make them happy is a labour party in disarray, split philosophically, not unified enough to act against the Tories.

A landslide victory for Corbyn is not a good sign. It will be interesting to see what happens with the labour party now - will the 30-40% that didn't vote for Corbyn get behind him, provide a unified party pulling in the same direction, or give the tories what they want and start in fighting? It's only when we know that answer that we can talk about how good things are for the conservative party.


Centre politics is popular because neither side is right all the time and a bit of left and a bit of right is good for a democratic country with citizens that vary in beliefs (political, social, etc). If you want to hope politics wins over perception, then perhaps having a Corbyn, who appears to be a strong and principled politician, albeit a far left one, will be a good thing. He will be able to stand up and argue his side well, and not give Cameron the easy ride that a bland centre left leader would.

Good post. What will happen now is imo the centerists will start becoming belligerent and causing trouble as they always have done. One of the biggest failings on the left is a mechanism for self criticism, so its always someone elses fault(Blamed the electorate after the election).Will it spilit? could do, and what is left could well become islamic in appearance and then would be finished.