Jeremy Corbyn.

[Bry Nylon]

Unsure why people are claiming Corbyn becoming Labour leader changes the game, when really it doesn't at all.

Corbyn may motivate a whole bunch of previously disenfranchised people to vote, but the vast majority of these people live in inner-city seats that will return a Labour MP anyway.

To win power at the next election Corbyn will need to convince swing voters in a handful of marginals that they will be better off under Labour than then Tories. And his politics are unlikely to resonate with this narrow slice of the electorate in sufficient numbers. The people he needs to win over are risk averse, and he represents a massive risk.

All this is academic anyway as I very much doubt that Corbyn will still be Labour leader by the time of the next General Election.

 

[Bry Nylon]

The youth that have little chance of getting on the housing ladder without an inheritance step up.
The youth with no chance of social housing unless they put themselves in crisis.
The youth destined to be trapped in the private rented sector topped up with housing benefit in many cases and unable to save for a deposit.
The youth having University maintenance grants taken away from them and being left with a mountain of debt just to receive a further education.
The youth destined to rely on benefit top ups despite being In FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT.

Some of those maybe?, but perhaps you mix in different circles to me or read different headlines?

Most of these people live in seats that are Labour strongholds anyway. Doesn't matter one jot if they vote or not. Labour need to broaden their appeal but hey have just massively narrowed it into their heartlands. Pointless electing Corbyn unless their ambition is simply to be a noisy pressure group.

 

[Beach Hut]

The youth that have little chance of getting on the housing ladder without an inheritance step up.
The youth with no chance of social housing unless they put themselves in crisis.
The youth destined to be trapped in the private rented sector topped up with housing benefit in many cases and unable to save for a deposit.
The youth having University maintenance grants taken away from them and being left with a mountain of debt just to receive a further education.
The youth destined to rely on benefit top ups despite being In FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT.

Some of those maybe?, but perhaps you mix in different circles to me or read different headlines?

The housing issues are a more social problem of home ownership and spiralling prices, I suppose we all must forget the wonga Blair trousered on various properties and other labour politicians.

Did Labour do anything about University fees last time in power ?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Making a huge deal about having 60% of the vote. But reality is 40% don't want him. He is trouble in my eyes and will take us back in time if he ever gets PM. iMHO he has no chance. Bad decision by labour.

To quote statistics like that, statistics that represent one of the biggest electoral victories in any leadership election that I can remember, as if they suggest that not enough people want him as Labour leader, is bizarre.

 

[driller]

great news today

totally unelectable like miliband & Kinnock before him

And foot and brown

 

[Beach Hut]

In the unlikely event he ever becomes a Prime Minister will the national anthem be changed to The Red Flag ?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The housing issues are a more social problem of home ownership and spiralling prices, I suppose we all must forget the wonga Blair trousered on various properties and other labour politicians.

Did Labour do anything about University fees last time in power ?

No they didn't. This is one of the reasons that many people, myself included, have lost faith in Labour over the last two decades.

The whole point about Corbyn is that he is not like the New Labour Tory Lite politicians who have been at the top of the party for far to long.

 

[Castello]

Making a huge deal about having 60% of the vote. But reality is 40% don't want him. He is trouble in my eyes and will take us back in time if he ever gets PM. iMHO he has no chance. Bad decision by labour.

as opposed to only 76% of the electorate who dont want the tories. Hard to call 24% a mandate

 

[1066familyman]

The housing issues are a more social problem of home ownership and spiralling prices, I suppose we all must forget the wonga Blair trousered on various properties and other labour politicians.

Did Labour do anything about University fees last time in power ?

You make my point for me. 'New Labour' have allowed the situation we have now to develop and even actively contributed to it. Easy to see why the disenfranchised, and the youth in particular, wouldn't want to vote for same old same old.

I'm hoping we are now entering a new era with Corbyn bringing Labour back to it's roots, where it belongs.

 

[Beach Hut]

No they didn't. This is one of the reasons that many people, myself included, have lost faith in Labour over the last two decades.

The whole point about Corbyn is that he is not like the New Labour Tory Lite politicians who have been at the top of the party for far to long.

He isn't like Blair he is a complete dinosaur and we would lurch back to the likes of Militant and Red Robbo

 

[Beach Hut]

You make my point for me. 'New Labour' have allowed the situation we have now to develop and even actively contributed to it. Easy to see why the disenfranchised, and the youth in particular, wouldn't want to vote for same old same old.

I'm hoping we are now entering a new era with Corbyn bringing Labour back to it's roots, where it belongs.

Really so back to non-productive work forces, hours of lost work due to strikes and Militant - happy days for some but will never happen.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Which Youth is this ?

I doubt very much they would welcome a socialist utopia

You are probably right given the crap nature of chart music in this country. Where is the rebellion going to come from?

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

 

[Honky Tonx]

Socialism never seems to promote wealth it seeks to bring everyone down to a lower financial level, usually down to the level of the poorest. I'm in the Greed is good camp and I'm quite happy with that.

 

[Beach Hut]

You are probably right given the crap nature of chart music in this country. Where is the rebellion going to come from?

Society now has many different values to the good old days of labour, possibly wrong but we are a have not have not society these days.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He isn't like Blair he is a complete dinosaur and we would lurch back to the likes of Militant and Red Robbo

That sort of Daily Mail cliched headline claptrap, the propaganda of fear of the bogey man, is what he, we, will have to fight and prove wrong. And he will prove it wrong.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

as opposed to only 76% of the electorate who dont want the tories. Hard to call 24% a mandate

Which election are you talking about? Certainly not the general election in may. The Tories got near as dammit to 37 percent.

 

[Beach Hut]

That sort of Daily Mail cliched headline claptrap, the propaganda of fear of the bogey man, is what he, we, will have to fight and prove wrong. And he will prove it wrong.

What an insult, how very dare you I am not a Daily fecking Mail reader.

Maybe you are right and the country will all vote for a buffoon with pencils in his pocket that looks like a retired geography teacher, who knows till the next general election (if he is still around)

 

[1066familyman]

Really so back to non-productive work forces, hours of lost work due to strikes and Militant - happy days for some but will never happen.

Ooh, you forgot the bit about how Corbyn and old Labour will be a threat to our national security as well

 

[Beach Hut]

Ooh, you forgot the bit about how Corbyn and old Labour will be a threat to our national security as well

Every politician is a threat to national security given the self-promotion.