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Herr Tubthumper

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A weekend brushing up on the subject should be enough to get you through.

Speed reading?

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cheshunt seagull

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it's legal...whether it is moral for an IT person is another debate. I can understand why they'd want all staff to have a particular belief though.
I could very well be wrong but I thought that in a case like this, when your beliefs play no practical part in the role, they could use this criteria at the selection stage but not the advertising stage. As for the question of whether it is morale, evangelicals are the last people I would look to for any sign of a morale compass. You could try and fake it but it would be a giveaway when everyone else is raptured and your left behind.
 


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I could very well be wrong but I thought that in a case like this, when your beliefs play no practical part in the role, they could use this criteria at the selection stage but not the advertising stage. As for the question of whether it is morale, evangelicals are the last people I would look to for any sign of a morale compass. You could try and fake it but it would be a giveaway when everyone else is raptured and your left behind.
If they are going to use it at the selection stage they might as well filter out the non-evangelists at the application stage
 






kevo

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I once worked for a Catholic organisation in an admin capacity and there was no religious requirement. I used to say: 'I work there 40 hours a week, they can't have my soul as well'.
 








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I would think acceptable a faith organisation would want employees to follow same faith. What did once cheese me off a few years ago was when I was thinking of volunteering for a homeless charity. I was expected to sign something saying I followed Christian faith. Whilst I may or not do ,felt it had nothing to do with me volunteering to help people. I did not agree and they lost a helper.
 


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Jackthelad

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“Evangelical” bit has me miffed. I’m a Christian but why even put that bit. The word can mean totally different things, it’s not really about doctrine. I guess they might have had someone who claimed to be Christian who wasn’t or something.
 


stewart12

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i've worked for christian charities before. To be honest I can appreciate why they have this for frontline staff and probably for higher up management, but for any IT staff, or any administrative role it's a bit of a piss take. In reality they're probably shooting themselves in the foot in terms of attracting candidates

I'd treat this as a bit of a red flag really and give it a swerve.
 


stewart12

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“Evangelical” bit has me miffed. I’m a Christian but why even put that bit. The word can mean totally different things, it’s not really about doctrine. I guess they might have had someone who claimed to be Christian who wasn’t or something.

this is probably it. They've probably employed a kind of casual churchgoer who wasn't up for casting demons out of everyone

when I worked for a christian charity we required a lot of volunteers and found it very frustrating that we were only allowed to recruit full on christians, annoyingly we had to turn away a lot of people who would have been of great use to us. In the end we started bending the truth somewhat and got on board some volunteers who were, perhaps, more "culturally christian" (e.g went to midnight mass each christmas) as we just didn't have the numbers. When the powers that be (that is, the management, not God) found out they went ballistic.
 


cheshunt seagull

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If they are going to use it at the selection stage they might as well filter out the non-evangelists at the application stage
I think you could only use it if you were choosing between candidates who had very similar scores against the other criteria. Whether anyone would want to work for an organisation where they wouldn't be welcome is another question.
 




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I’d have thought that being an evangelical Christian would be a "nice to have" rather than a "must have" for a role like this. The number of evangelical Christians who happen to be capable of managing a multi-site IT system, and also looking for a job, must be very small. Much better to get a shortlist of competent IT professionals first, and then look for the right personality type — active Christian or not.
 


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