Is it time for Dick Knight to go ?

[The Large One]

With my specs on yes we can fill it every match.
With reality it is my opinion that we will only now have a 10,000 max hard core ( iam not saying we won't get a few sell outs )when getting to Falmer that will dwindle as we get used to going there.
For us to get a near capacity we will need to sustain a winning side year upon year with investment we will stand a far better chance ie Portsmouth - or a inconsistent performance ie Southampton is a situation we could be looking at.

Yes i hate to say we will be f***ed unless we can still make big money on players brought through the youth system, what Knight has survived on thus far but without the huge investment gate receipts will have to be at a regular sell out surely for any chance of survival.

Ah, so you do have exclusive access to the financial plan, and you're saying that 22,000 is our break-even figure.

Wouldn't you call it slightly out of order to not let Derek Chapman and the Falmer team know that the figures they have been working on for seven years are f***ed and should be binned? Don't you think you owe that to the club at the very least?

Why i bought Wilkins in to the question was i felt Dick played the blinder in getting Wilkins in for what better way to take us forward with a great young coach. It worked for Charlton and i see no reason why it would not have worked for the Albion and we were starting to see the benefits.

So because one club did it, there is 'no reason' not to do it here? There could have been several reasons for it not to have worked here - none of which were purely the fact the someone else did it. There were several why it could have worked, but to do it on that basis alone is pretty thoughtless.

Loyalty is a two way street but wasn't Dean longer on the books at the Club than Dick?

So who is the most Loyal ?

Is that your sole benchmark for loyalty? What has longevity got to do with loyalty when - according to some on here - you end up working against the club's interests?

 

[SICKASAGULL]

Granny Weatherwax, your feelings mirror my own,whereas in the early days anybody was better than Archer however when we lost our place in the Championship the resulting poor standard of play from both home and away teams lead to a lack of entertainment and enjoyment, to continue following my lifelong interest in football now means it is necessary at times to visit various London clubs and more recently Portsmouth.I still visit Withdean on the odd occasion in the hope that things will improve but its not going to happen with the present board,they have had 11 years and we are barely hanging on in Div1. I now feel it would have been better if B&H Albion had not been saved and we could have all gone on to support other teams.

 

[The Large One]

Granny Weatherwax, your feelings mirror my own,whereas in the early days anybody was better than Archer however when we lost our place in the Championship the resulting poor standard of play from both home and away teams lead to a lack of entertainment and enjoyment, to continue following my lifelong interest in football now means it is necessary at times to visit various London clubs and more recently Portsmouth.I still visit Withdean on the odd occasion in the hope that things will improve but its not going to happen with the present board,they have had 11 years and we are barely hanging on in Div1. I now feel it would have been better if B&H Albion had not been saved and we could have all gone on to support other teams.

Jesus, you plumb new depths of ingratitude you do.

So, as far as you're concerned, all those people who gave up their own time and expense and protested, picketed the Goldstone, organised Fans United, wrote letters, got the media involved, went on marches, shat themselves at Hereford, got sent to prison, lobbied the government, raised fighting funds, not to mention the individuals on the board who have put in over £15m between them, none of which they'll probably ever see again, spent over £3m (and still rising) on getting the planning application approved needn't have bothered their arses and were in fact wasting their time?

 

[vulture]

My post was aimed more at the likes of Vulture, he starts those threads and is also part of the Knight out gang. I think some people just need to have a bit more calm about themselves.

Let Adams build his team and Knight take the glory he so rightly deserves.

twat....i have not started any threads like this

 

[cjd]

1. Why do the directors need to have money?
2. What do you mean by 'experience'? Running a construction company or local firm of butchers is completely different to a football club.
3. Define 'success'. Are you talking on the pitch, or off it? I would imagine that the board would be willing to talk to anyone who is willing to help subsidise the club, given that we lost £55,000 a week last season, and those losses will be greater this year. I can't imagine too many people being stupid enough to want to piss their money away on a white elephant such as the Albion.

1. I,m well aware that two of the five board directors have a virtually, NIL input financially, but I believe we need more directors on the Board who will put money into the club. I,m also aware that other shareholders have put money into the club, but do not have a seat on the board.

Dick Knight is frequently telling us that "the board have decided this...and that."....etc etc etc. Seems to me the board really consists of only 3 people........Dick Knight, Derek Chapman and Ray Bloom.

Could it be, that Dick Knight only wants investors via shareholdings....but not a seat on the Board......which appears to make the decisions.

Indeed, IF this is the case.........how many people would contribute financially, without that place on the decision making board of Directors...?

2. I agree.....running a construction company is I,m sure, very different to running a football club. Have ANY of our present board of Directors run a football club before...?

3. Success....? It,s a matter of opinion......you clearly regard 11 years from taking over the club by Dick Knight, and moving up one division..(hopefully at least remaining in League 1 this season) as success. As yet......we don't have a new stadium or a successful football team. However.........I,m ever hopeful. I believe we,ve had success.(i.e. the promtions from league 1 & 2), but am more than disappointed that this success was not sustained.

" I can,t imagine too many people being stupid enough to want to piss their money away on a white elephant such as the Albion"...........

Are you now suggesting that Dick Knight and co are stupid...?




PS; As a side issue, can you define what is acceptable, or not acceptable, when being abusive to another poster....? If you called a poster a "hypocrite" for example.....would this be acceptable...?

You happily banned me for 7 days for calling your chummie Mendoza, a twat............calling it " abuse to another poster", and yet I noticed last week, in reply to another poster who didn,t conform to your beliefs, you called him an "utter fuckwit"

For the first time EVER, I did indeed report this matter to your other moderator chummies.

Of course.......nothing was done.......nobody even had the curtesy to reply to me..........what a surprise indeed...!

Perhaps you were all too busy banning another poster on here who doesn,t conform to your personal opinions and had the temerity to question one of Dick Knights decisions.....?

 

[algie]

1. I,m well aware that two of the five board directors have a virtually, NIL input financially, but I believe we need more directors on the Board who will put money into the club. I,m also aware that other shareholders have put money into the club, but do not have a seat on the board.

Dick Knight is frequently telling us that "the board have decided this...and that."....etc etc etc. Seems to me the board really consists of only 3 people........Dick Knight, Derek Chapman and Ray Bloom.

Could it be, that Dick Knight only wants investors via shareholdings....but not a seat on the Board......which appears to make the decisions.

Indeed, IF this is the case.........how many people would contribute financially, without that place on the decision making board of Directors...?

2. I agree.....running a construction company is I,m sure, very different to running a football club. Have ANY of our present board of Directors run a football club before...?

3. Success....? It,s a matter of opinion......you clearly regard 11 years from taking over the club by Dick Knight, and moving up one division..(hopefully at least remaining in League 1 this season) as success. As yet......we don't have a new stadium or a successful football team. However.........I,m ever hopeful. I believe we,ve had success.(i.e. the promtions from league 1 & 2), but am more than disappointed that this success was not sustained.

" I can,t imagine too many people being stupid enough to want to piss their money away on a white elephant such as the Albion"...........

Are you now suggesting that Dick Knight and co are stupid...?




PS; As a side issue, can you define what is acceptable, or not acceptable, when being abusive to another poster....? If you called a poster a "hypocrite" for example.....would this be acceptable...?

You happily banned me for 7 days for calling your chummie Mendoza, a twat............calling it " abuse to another poster", and yet I noticed last week, in reply to another poster who didn,t conform to your beliefs, you called him an "utter fuckwit"

For the first time EVER, I did indeed report this matter to your other moderator chummies.

Of course.......nothing was done.......nobody even had the curtesy to reply to me..........what a surprise indeed...!

Perhaps you were all too busy banning another poster on here who doesn,t conform to your personal opinions and had the temerity to question one of Dick Knights decisions.....?

As for the side issue,i believe the mods are pretty fair.Of course they will be slightly biased towards chums.

 

[El Presidente]

1. I,m well aware that two of the five board directors have a virtually, NIL input financially, but I believe we need more directors on the Board who will put money into the club. I,m also aware that other shareholders have put money into the club, but do not have a seat on the board.

Dick Knight is frequently telling us that "the board have decided this...and that."....etc etc etc. Seems to me the board really consists of only 3 people........Dick Knight, Derek Chapman and Ray Bloom.

Could it be, that Dick Knight only wants investors via shareholdings....but not a seat on the Board......which appears to make the decisions.

It COULD be, but there is zero evidence of anyone wanting to make a financial investment in a business that has clocked up losses of £15million in the last ten years

Indeed, IF this is the case.........how many people would contribute financially, without that place on the decision making board of Directors...?

It is a massive IF though, and apart from the clown that runs the health clubs, who wanted control of the Albion, no one has made any noises about joining the board. There is no evidence of anyone wanting to join the board being turned away, so what you say is pure speculation, with little or no basis behind it.

2. I agree.....running a construction company is I,m sure, very different to running a football club. Have ANY of our present board of Directors run a football club before...?

Some of the board had previously run the Albion. The nature of football is that it tends to be supporters with money who are on the board, and they are unlikely to switch allegiance from one club to another. Apart from serial tarts such as Ken Bates who have moved from Wigan to Chelsea to Leeds, and left behind a trail of destruction.

3. Success....? It,s a matter of opinion......you clearly regard 11 years from taking over the club by Dick Knight, and moving up one division..(hopefully at least remaining in League 1 this season) as success. As yet......we don't have a new stadium or a successful football team. However.........I,m ever hopeful. I believe we,ve had success.(i.e. the promtions from league 1 & 2), but am more than disappointed that this success was not sustained.

I don't know where you reached your 'you clearly regard...' comment from, but, if someone had offered me at Edgar Street, in the 61st minute, in 1997, three promotions, trips to the Millennium Stadium, White Hart Lane, Upton Park etc, countless great days out, a return to Brighton from the Priestfield, victories over the forces of darkness of Bill Archer and Falmer PDC, then I would have snapped their hands off. The Albion have always been a bit crap since I started watching them in 1974, some good days, plenty of bad, but not too many dull moments (apart from the football at times).

" I can,t imagine too many people being stupid enough to want to piss their money away on a white elephant such as the Albion"...........

Are you now suggesting that Dick Knight and co are stupid...?

From a financial perspective, they have been very, very stupid. To sink £13million into a business that has not made a profit for 30 years is crazy, it is something only done through either stupidity or love, and in the case of the board I believe the latter motive is the one that has caused them to throw their money away.

PS; As a side issue, can you define what is acceptable, or not acceptable, when being abusive to another poster....? If you called a poster a "hypocrite" for example.....would this be acceptable...?

It is, and I look forward to you calling me it in due course.

You happily banned me for 7 days for calling your chummie Mendoza, a twat............calling it " abuse to another poster", and yet I noticed last week, in reply to another poster who didn,t conform to your beliefs, you called him an "utter fuckwit"

1. I did not 'happily' ban you
2. I've spoken to Brett once in my life, and that was at the Guy Butters meal, hardly makes me a 'chum' does it?

For the first time EVER, I did indeed report this matter to your other moderator chummies.

Of course.......nothing was done.......nobody even had the curtesy to reply to me..........what a surprise indeed...!

If I had been banned by the other mods then I would have taken it on the chin, I believe I called sir albion a fuckwit, and to be honest, I thought that was an insult to fuckwits.

Perhaps you were all too busy banning another poster on here who doesn,t conform to your personal opinions and had the temerity to question one of Dick Knights decisions.....?

Anyone can question Dick Knight's (actually the board of directors) decisions, but the ban was for going on about it on the Ask The Club forum, which was inappropriate. The initial post was not the cause of the ban, the serial nagging was.

 

[Storer68]

This is all getting very silly.

And if you want an example of a short term money-bags Chairlam in League One.....

I see, at Leeds Ken Bates has sacked Garry McAllister after a mere 11 months in the job, A WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS!

Give me Dick Knight over that type of ill thought nonsense anyday

 

[Knotty]

so what you say is pure speculation, with little or no basis behind it.

As are the comments from all the DK-outers.

Judging by most of their comments, you'd think they spent every day at the club, attended all the board meetings and knew everything that goes on behind the scenes.

They don't. So they just make it up to support their baseless arguments.

Someone seems to know that DK is 'tired'! Presumably they have spent a lot of time with him to come to that conclusion. The same applies to many comments.

In the hypothetical scenario that I had enough money to be on the board and was offered the chairmanship, I wouldn't take it. The reason would not be the nonsense posted on NSC from idiots who know nothing, but the fact that I would have to reply and tell those idiots exactly what I think of them...and that would be very undignified and unprofessional.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I now feel it would have been better if B&H Albion had not been saved and we could have all gone on to support other teams.

I've read some crap things on here, in fact I've written many of them, but that statement just about takes the biscuit :thud:

 

[portlock seagull]

What I can't understand is why all the DK knockers don't make a fortune themselves and invest it in the club instead of whinging about the need inject more money - surely the best way is to earn the money yourself, take control and thereby have more of a say? Or do, as I suspect, many of the illiterate half-wits that constantly go OTT with their bi-polar support of this club not have the brains to aquire more than the minimum wage.

I'm happy to see DK continue as chairman in the meantime. The man's delivered us from the brink and got us a nice new stadium. Not a bad record IMO for a club that didn't even play in it's home town when his tenure started in earnest. A poor half a season - big deal. Get some perspective FFS.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Granny Weatherwax, your feelings mirror my own,whereas in the early days anybody was better than Archer however when we lost our place in the Championship the resulting poor standard of play from both home and away teams lead to a lack of entertainment and enjoyment, to continue following my lifelong interest in football now means it is necessary at times to visit various London clubs and more recently Portsmouth.I still visit Withdean on the odd occasion in the hope that things will improve but its not going to happen with the present board,they have had 11 years and we are barely hanging on in Div1. I now feel it would have been better if B&H Albion had not been saved and we could have all gone on to support other teams.

can I just say,just to tempre the comments above, that although my support for the club feels to be draining away and I am finding it increasingly difficult to get excited about a club I once loved , I have nothing but admiration for all those people who helped save the club, wrote letters, went on marches,etc etc ( I did some of those things myself).

I would also like to see DK walk out in the sun at Falmer with the fans and supporters having a brand new shiny stadium to play in. I am not sure if I agree with the statement that we "deserve " it, there are many many clubs in dire straights that one could also say deserve a stadium, and to be perfectly blunt, if the supporters of the club in the days before the Goldstone had to be sold had come along and supported the club week in week out, you could say we would never have had to be in this position. Which is my concern over Falmer in a nutshell. we know the business plan relies on a certain number of fans turning up through the gates.....we know that pay on the gate is not an option ( but pay at a station or such like is) we know there will be no parking, we know that it is too far out of town to walk, therefore we will have to rely on trains and busses. Our park and Ride sceme busses are a fiasco and many people gave up long ago with this etc etc. The club are relying on thousands of people staying behind after a game until crowds filetr away. This is flawed. Look at every ground on Sky/BBC/Sentanta etc at the end of a game, within 10 minutes its empty....people want to go home!.

I know it is pre-empting and the stadium has not yet been built!, however the club MUST get rid of the hassle factor for the majority of fans...OK Ed will say he is happy to stay behind to get his train to Glynde, BUT there will be thousands coming from BRIGHTON who will want away quickly, and away fans wanting to get home, and I say again, WE MUST HAVE PAY ON THE GATE WITHOUT HASSLE

That wa smore what I was getting at

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

we know that pay on the gate is not an option ( but pay at a station or such like is) we know there will be no parking, we know that it is too far out of town to walk, therefore we will have to rely on trains and busses. Our park and Ride sceme busses are a fiasco and many people gave up long ago with this etc etc. The club are relying on thousands of people staying behind after a game until crowds filetr away. This is flawed. Look at every ground on Sky/BBC/Sentanta etc at the end of a game, within 10 minutes its empty....people want to go home!.

I know it is pre-empting and the stadium has not yet been built!, however the club MUST get rid of the hassle factor for the majority of fans...OK Ed will say he is happy to stay behind to get his train to Glynde, BUT there will be thousands coming from BRIGHTON who will want away quickly, and away fans wanting to get home, and I say again, WE MUST HAVE PAY ON THE GATE WITHOUT HASSLE

Dave, sorry to be thick, but how exactly does Pay On The Gate help get people home quickly?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

we know there will be no parking

This is SIMPLY NOT TRUE, Dave.

There will be MORE parking than would normally be permitted by government guidelines. 2,350 spaces.

This extract from the Secretary of State's letter, granting planning permission, makes it quite clear:-

62. For the reasons given in paragraphs IRa18.121 – 18.122, the Secretary of State agrees with the Inspector that the level of “on-the-day” parking provision proposed by this scheme exceeds PPG13 standards and is inconsistent with national guidance on reducing parking to promote sustainable travel choices. However, the Secretary of State notes that this available parking would be shared with the University of Sussex and Falmer High School and therefore will not be solely for the use of the stadium traffic. She also notes that the proposed condition limiting the number of existing available car parking spaces to 2,350 was available for comment at the inquiry, but that there were no objections to the proposed condition. Having regard to her conclusions in paragraph 60 above as to the accessibility of the application site, the Secretary of State does not consider that the level of parking is sufficient to warrant refusal of the proposals, and has adopted the condition as proposed. In the light of her conclusions as to the lack of any suitable alternative site having been put forward for the proposed community stadium and for the above reasons, the Secretary of State disagrees with the Inspector’s conclusion in IRa18.136 and concludes that the proposed development complies with PPG13 to an acceptable degree.



And this is the planning condition that applies:-

39. The Stadium shall not be brought into use unless and until details of arrangements for car parking for a minimum of 2,000 and a maximum of 2,200 cars at Sussex University and Falmer High School or at alternative locations within 1.5km of the Stadium have been submitted to and approved by the Local Planning Authority and the said car parking provided. No Outdoor Event for which these parking spaces are required in accordance with the Travel Management Plan shall take place unless such parking spaces are available for use by persons attending the said Outdoor Event.

The total number of car parking spaces to be provided for Outdoor Event traffic shall not exceed 2,350 within 1.5km of the Stadium.

 

[glasfryn]

Spotted your error yet?

his error was













ever posting on the pointless thread

 

[shaun_rc]

Dick Knight = decent financial controls, nursing a club losing money hand over fist at Withdean towards Falmer. We do not have a right to Championship football with our current attendances/finances. DK seems like a decent bloke without the personal financial resources of some chairmen. An Albion legend, whatever's going on at the moment. I didn't agree with MA coming back (never go back, it never works), but believe DK made the decision with the best interests of the club at heart (dwindling attendances, need to create a buzz). DK Out? No way, you ungrateful *******

 

[glasfryn]

Dick Knight = decent financial controls, nursing a club losing money hand over fist at Withdean towards Falmer. We do not have a right to Championship football with our current attendances/finances. DK seems like a decent bloke without the personal financial resources of some chairmen. An Albion legend, whatever's going on at the moment. I didn't agree with MA coming back (never go back, it never works), but believe DK made the decision with the best interests of the club at heart (dwindling attendances, need to create a buzz). DK Out? No way, you ungrateful *******

correct

 

[Lord Large]

If there are any alternatives then Dick should go.

If there is not, well we could have worse people in charge.

I think the problem is less Dick Knight, more Dick Knight's ego.

 

[The Large One]

If there are any alternatives then Dick should go.

If there is not, well we could have worse people in charge.

I think the problem is less Dick Knight, more Dick Knight's ego.

How do you separate Dick Knight from his ego?