I asked Dick Knight a few questions last night.....

[tedebear]

I don't think the majority of fans post on here either.

I guess what I am saying is that we will all continue to go come rain or shine, but the ones that won't are the floating fans. These fans, I believe, will listen to the phone in and Harty, and are more likely to share his view than Attilla who starts off by saying he spent last night with Dick Knight. From a distance clearly Attila then becomes someone with inside info who is just relaying what Dick said.

Most of the fans can't have that conversation with Dick, and therefore as Harty is in the same boat, most fans, or certainly the floating ones will have a similar view to his.

I'm not sure thats true, and judging by some following posts I guess a few others agree. More often than not I disagree with Harty, and if I had gone to the FFA meeting and posted my conversation with Dick, I would hope that the majority on here would believe it to be an objective conversation, not a view weighed down by my association with the club (as I have none except in my capacity as a fan!).

 

[The Large One]

What sort of statement is that, here we go, another I am a bigger fan than you debate

No, read it again.

He said 'action speaks louder than words'. So what action has he put in? The very thing he is berating Dick Knight for is the very thing he too is guilty of.

I just found his statement kind of ironic.

 

[Man of Harveys]

On the other hand, while I am having a pop at the DK detractors I have to defend Harty here. At the end of the day he's working for a radio show that needs listners and callers to keep going. Simply starting each phone in with 'well once again the albion board are simply super' is going to have everyone bored silly in a week.

Don't confuse a need to provoke debate with actual intentions.

Sorry, I see exactly what you mean and agree there's a great need to keep things moving and he does this quite well. But his comments about DK have gone, way, way beyond what's needed to "stimulate debate" for a long time.

 

[Beach Hut]

At the end of the day we hear one persons view on what the chairman told him which could be true or not and may have a different slant and not be the truth.

I would prefer the chairman told us direct rather than potential hearsay.

 

[ROSM]

can I just say that I am shocked at the pie eyed arrogance of some of the comments on this and other threads!

To state here that something posted by one person is of lesser value than something said by another is a complete pile of cobblers. Surely the value of opinions is in the eye of the reader.

I was at the meeting last night - which if you read the start of Attila's post he explains was to plan the next steps of the falmer campaign.

You will also ALL remember no doubt as you all have such fanatstic memories, that there have been a number of open invitations to join that group. Lots of people have - some are high profile and known individuals whilst there are many others who are not.

So to see the comments of some on here (I will not highlight Rochdale's comments as we all know he is on a windup) that those people cannot in some way be trusted as they are 'seen as too close' to the club is nothing short of an insult! The opportunity was there for all - some took it , some didn't. Harty on another thread says he that he was asked to get involved but he chose not to.

I see Beach Hut's comment (valid) about a fans forum. however when there is one, you get the usual suspects complaining that the real questions never get asked or things are being hidden.

It is very easy for people to make comments that those who get involved are 'acolytes' - Andy Naylor threw that accusation at me in 1999 and it has been repeated by many since including Ian Hart.

Well, if using the skills I have built up in my job to benefit the football club I love and support makes me an acolyte then so be it. If it means that what i say I have been told in a meeting with DK is less valued then so be it.

Quite frankly some people on here need to do what most puppies do at about 3 weeks - they open their eyes.

However, I am not a club employee paid or otherwise. I used to take ground tours around withdean but made clear before them that I was not a club employee. You can make your digs at Attilla - you can also make them at me. But lets actually do this on a level playing field.

Adrian Newnham
Deputy Leader Seagulls Party
Falmer For All Committee Member

 

[Bozza]

Prior to this thread its all doom and gloom, but then Attila has a chat with Dick Knight and suddenly everything is going to be alright. Its from one extreme to the next.

I'll happily back Dick Knight but theres thousands that are not going due to the lack of investment who aren't going to suddenly change their view just because Attila says so.

I'm not having a pop at Attila, just the gullable nature of some Brighton fans.

My view hasn't changed. I fear for the club right now as I think cash has to be more limited than ever before and, in all likelihood, this season's budget is being blown out of the water by the low attendances.

I also don't buy the whole "difficult to get players to come to Brighton to play at Withdean" thing. As we are repeatedly told - players are doing "just a job" and if we are able to offer a rewards package that is greater than they are receiving where they currently are, then they are likely to come. I think the real issue is we aren't able to offer attractive pay any more, see cash issue above, so we find it difficult to get people of the quality us supporters would like to see.

All very simplistic of course.

 

[Beach Hut]

No, read it again.

He said 'action speaks louder than words'. So what action has he put in? The very thing he is berating Dick Knight for is the very thing he too is guilty of.

I just found his statement kind of ironic.

He has told you what action anyway

 

[The Large One]

He has told you what action anyway

I also feel it would be utterly pointless for Dick Knight to make any kind of statement because the likes of dwayne wouldn't believe him, and those that do believe Dick know what the nature of the problem is anyway.

...especially relating to some of the dross that has come from the Albions mouthpieces (DK,MM etc) in the last 18 months.

 

[Giraffe]

At the end of the day we hear one persons view on what the chairman told him which could be true or not and may have a different slant and not be the truth.

I would prefer the chairman told us direct rather than potential hearsay.

Woohooo!! Someones got it

It would also be nice if actions then followed what he said.

 

[Bozza]

On the other hand, while I am having a pop at the DK detractors I have to defend Harty here. At the end of the day he's working for a radio show that needs listners and callers to keep going. Simply starting each phone in with 'well once again the albion board are simply super' is going to have everyone bored silly in a week.

Don't confuse a need to provoke debate with actual intentions.

I did mean to cover that off but didn't. Of course you are right in that in Ian's position there is a need to provoke debate and play the role of devil's advocate on occasion.

Are you saying you believe that Ian is actually very pro-Knight but has continually portrayed the opposite for the purposes of his show?

 

[The Large One]

It's not really hearsay when two people have independently backed up Attila's post.

 

[Giraffe]

My view hasn't changed. I fear for the club right now as I think cash has to be more limited than ever before and, in all likelihood, this season's budget is being blown out of the water by the low attendances.

I also don't buy the whole "difficult to get players to come to Brighton to play at Withdean" thing. As we are repeatedly told - players are doing "just a job" and if we are able to offer a rewards package that is greater than they are receiving where they currently are, then they are likely to come. I think the real issue is we aren't able to offer attractive pay any more, see cash issue above, so we find it difficult to get people of the quality us supporters would like to see.

All very simplistic of course.

Agree with that. I spoke with a few players recently and frankly the Falmer issue is irrelevant. They care about it but actually have no faith that it is going to happen any time soon. I think if the rewards are right players will come.

What doesn't help is being in the bottom six of League One.

I actually think cash is a huge problem. And I would rather DK came out and said we have no money to get players, we're in dire need, please come and support us. All this expectation of improving the side and then it not happening is not good.

 

[attila]

Strange logic here. If I had a blazing row with Dick Knight and stopped doing the disco for Pan's People and reading the half time scores (what a hallowed privelege!) my views would carry more weight. Really?

I say what I think. I've been earning my living doing that since 1980.
I have never 'toed a party line' in my life. I love BHAFC. There's a difference.....

 

[Safeway]

I think any rational, sensible Albion fan is pretty much aware of all of the above but thanks for confirming it.

 

[ROSM]

Agree with that. I spoke with a few players recently and frankly the Falmer issue is irrelevant. They care about it but actually have no faith that it is going to happen any time soon. I think if the rewards are right players will come.

What doesn't help is being in the bottom six of League One.

I actually think cash is a huge problem. And I would rather DK came out and said we have no money to get players, we're in dire need, please come and support us. All this expectation of improving the side and then it not happening is not good.

The transfer window has closed. We can now only bring in loan or unattached players. Realistically the loan targets available are youngsters and old un's. To unearth a diamond will be a major achievement.

What he has said is that money is available. Money was available to MM and money is now available to DW.

 

[tedebear]

Agree with that. I spoke with a few players recently and frankly the Falmer issue is irrelevant. They care about it but actually have no faith that it is going to happen any time soon. I think if the rewards are right players will come.

What doesn't help is being in the bottom six of League One.

I actually think cash is a huge problem. And I would rather DK came out and said we have no money to get players, we're in dire need, please come and support us. All this expectation of improving the side and then it not happening is not good.

So you want DK to come out and tell us that there IS money/cash, but when he does tell us, you won't believe him - basically thats what you're saying??

 

[Seagullible]

goes with exactly what I've heard and believe. Thanks John

 

[Bozza]

Strange logic here. If I had a blazing row with Dick Knight and stopped doing the disco for Pan's People and reading the half time scores (what a hallowed privelege!) my views would carry more weight. Really?

I say what I think. I've been earning my living doing that since 1980.
I have never 'toed a party line' in my life. I love BHAFC. There's a difference.....

I can't be arsed to read back over this thread now, but the impression I took when reading it the first time round is that no-one here is disagreeing with your independence John.

However, I think what people were saying or trying to say is that there are a large number of Albion fans for whom their involvement in the club does not extend much beyond a few hours every other Saturday afternoon and catching up with the back page of the Argus in between. To these people you could easily be seen as being an employee of the club/part of Dick Knight's crew/call it what you will and for no reason more than the little stint you do in the PA box at Withdean.

 

[Albion Dan]

No, read it again.

He said 'action speaks louder than words'. So what action has he put in? The very thing he is berating Dick Knight for is the very thing he too is guilty of.

I just found his statement kind of ironic.

What action is he supposed to take? If he has been to games and put money into the club as a result that is all that can be expected of the average supporter?

The Chairman is the man who steers the entire ship, how can it be hypocritcal for a supporter who helps fund the chairmans control of the club to critisice the usage of funds?

 

[tedebear]

I can't be arsed to read back over this thread now, but the impression I took when reading it the first time round is that no-one here is disagreeing with your independence John.

However, I think what people were saying or trying to say is that there are a large number of Albion fans for whom their involvement in the club does not extend much beyond a few hours every other Saturday afternoon and catching up with the back page of the Argus in between. To these people you could easily be seen as being an employee of the club/part of Dick Knight's crew/call it what you will and for no reason more than the little stint you do in the PA box at Withdean.

But Bozza that means that as soon as someone works for the club, you find their statements/discussions somehow un-believable by association? Isn't that a little odd?