Homeopathy is bullshit, those who believe in it are idiots

[BLOCK F]

I'm certainly not a believer, however my fiancée is and she swears by it.

Its exceptionally arrogant to simply dismiss it as bullshit,

Horses for courses innit.

There is no scientific basis for it working and I am afraid it is bullshit.That is not being arrogant it is being accurate.
Hope your fiancee doesn't spend too much of her ' hard earned' on this.

 

[teaboy]

Homeopathy maybe bollocks, but the placebo effect is very real (and that's all Homeopathy can be). Interestingly, the placebo effect works, even when the recipient knows that they're receiving a placebo. It is still not fully understood - but quite interesting.

On the one hand I find it very annoying that there should be any NHS money invested in it (which there is, I seem to remember one London clinic is funded atabout £10m a year, although that could be no longer true) - on the other hand you could say that if (big IF) it really helps people then why not spend money, especially it if takes workload off other areas of the health system.

If it can be shown that it works, and how it works, then it can be said to help people. Until then it is NOT any 'medication' that is helping.

 

[clapham_gull]

this is so funny.

like saying "herbs and healing done for centuries by the maya, inca, and indian tribes did not work"

so mind controlled into western group think it is untrue.

False, but not uncommon argument. Of course plants can have medicinal properties. Of course some commercially produced drugs mimic their action. Of course some modern medical thinking is based upon some knowledge that a tribe knew for thousands of years before.

But all of the above is completely irrelevent to Homeopathy. It based on the work of an 18th century German physician who believed that water has a memory. So in a way is is Western Group think and some big companies make money out of it.

I have no reason to believe it works or not - having no experience of it.

 

[Nibble]

My mother was suffering from unexplained pain for a long time and went down the homeopathy route. When we eventually pursuaded her to see a proper doctor she was diagnosed with extremely advanced cancer. She is currently in hospital with a few weeks left of her life. Homeopathy is bullshit.

 

[bristolseagull]

My mother was suffering from unexplained pain for a long time and went down the homeopathy route. When we eventually pursuaded her to see a proper doctor she was diagnosed with extremely advanced cancer. She is currently in hospital with a few weeks left of her life. Homeopathy is bullshit.

for you mother, clearly it didn’t work, fair enough. I know plenty who have reaped the benefits of this and other alternative medicines, i am baffled at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you lot. OPEN YOUR MINDS MAN!

Scientists used to think the world was flat dontchaknow?

 

[catfish]

Some people will always be taken in by snake oil salesmen.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

for you mother, clearly it didn’t work, fair enough. I know plenty who have reaped the benefits of this and other alternative medicines, i am baffled at the ignorance and arrogance of some of you lot. OPEN YOUR MINDS MAN!

Scientists used to think the world was flat dontchaknow?

I find that first sentence deeply offensive, his mother is dying.

As to the " open your minds" comment. Well here's the thing. I did have an open mind on it. I have a relative who swears by it, but i'd also seen some negative stuff. So i researched the subject. I looked at the evidence both for and against. And you know what? I found no supporting evidence that couldn't easily be disproved and I found no explanation of how it might work ( beyond some hocus pocus about bruised atoms).. What i did find was plenty of evidence fo why it might work as a placebo and some distrubing stories similar to that of Nibbles mother.

Having reviewed all of this I came to the conclusion that it was bunkum.

 

[looney]

Er, no, I would've thought Daily Mail readers would be exactly the type to believe unfounded hype.

iTS GRAUNIAD readers who are into all things alternative idiot.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

can't remember who said it but if homeopathy works then Bin Laden's burial at sea means that all the world's water is EVIL

this.

 

[looney]

Some people will always be taken in by snake oil salesmen.

They are called environmental scientists these days.

 

[tezz79]

Bag o shite

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

I seem to remember a few years ago that some Chinese herbalist In Edward Street got closed down after a customer (s?) died from taking some of their dried herbs. The coroner said something along the lines that certain herbs could become toxic if not handled and stored correctly.

 

[catfish]

iTS GRAUNIAD readers who are into all things alternative idiot.

As a Grauniad reader I have to disagree!!

 

[NMH]

Some holistic remedies can be used to good effect.
Echinacea to help boost the respiratory system and help stave off cold and flu bugs, as well as give supportive relief to asthma or bronchitis sufferers, absolutely works.
It doesn't cure necessarily, but I believe it can give reinforcement to the body's existing resistants and enable avoidance of some sicknesses.
Since there's no cure for the common cold, and asthma is only relieved by inhalers temporarily, I would suggest that echinacea is a good and effective treatment.

Glucosamine with Condroitin, and shark cartilege, have been used to help with joint pain. Also given to animals and administered as a food additive for aging pets, it's been found to show positive results.

There are loads of other herbs which have been found to be effective, but of course they don't cure cancers or other runaway illnesses - and doctors do not study them a lot of the time so they can't offer advice about them.
Tribes with members that survived to old age, have adminstered naturally found medicines, and of course the mental attitude does certainly play a big part in patients recovering from illness just by actively enthusing about getting better. The native Indians of North America use music and the enthusiasm of the 'medicine-man' leaping and hopping about in a fervour for the spiritual benefit of the tribe's members when ailing.
Why do people die when soon after a partner passes away? Because they lose interest in life, want to go, and their spirit wanes. Facts.

Of course I'd personally trust in modern medicine, and prefer to have organs cut out if they are threatening the whole body by their presence - but I won't ignore the possibilities of herbal treatment being efficacious.

 

[Southwick_Seagull]

"Alternative medicine has either not be proved to work or been proved not to work. You know what they called alternative medicine that works? Medicine." - Tim Minchin.

 

[looney]

As a Grauniad reader I have to disagree!!

What? Saying the Ultra Traditionalists who read the DM are into happy clappy Alternative hippy medicine is like claiming the Nazi party was full of Yiddish homosexuals, you got to be as dumb as a rock to buy into that.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

They are called environmental scientists these days.

or the green party..

 

[catfish]

What? Saying the Ultra Traditionalists who read the DM are into happy clappy Alternative hippy medicine is like claiming the Nazi party was full of Yiddish homosexuals, you got to be as dumb as a rock to buy into that.

No - that Grauniad readers are necessarily into alternative remedies. I don't give a toss about the Daily Mail & its subhuman readership.

 

[Husty]

As a Grauniad reader I have to disagree!!

I'll second that, I think the average Grauniad reader is intelligent enough to realise when something is bollocks, whereas the average DM/DE reader is much more likely to buy into that packet of magic beans

 

[1066familyman]

Ok, tin hat time, but here goes anyway.

I've had two very positive experiences from homeopathy. It could well be a mere placebo, I don't know, but I do know it worked well for me.

This thread seems to me to be very similiar to all those threads about God. Personally, I can't help but find arrogant, the belief system that says - unless modern day science can offer some kind of tangible proof for something it MUST be bullshit and therefore only subscribed to by idiots.