Homeopathy is bullshit, those who believe in it are idiots

[One Love]

As for the comment on the soul, give me a break. If it can't be measured, seen, heard, etc it isn't there. Nobody has ever presented any evidence for a soul.

The "spiritual dimension" is a crock of shit, you need to be a retard to believe it. Reading tea leaves? Star signs? Horoscopes? f***ing FAITH HEALING? Reading auras? Talking to the dead? If you believe any of those, do us all a favour and form your own community of mind-addled retards.

People who practice homeopathy, faith healing, reading tea leaves/auras etc. are either lying or mentally I'll. That is not arrogance, it's scientific fact. None of it works in any way other than placebo.

I'll answer your post just because it was written in such a lucid and pleasant manner. You really are a nice guy.

So what you are advocating is that as long as it has been discovered by science then it exists and if it hasn't, it doesn't.

So all the things that have been discovered in say the last 50 years,100 years , etc etc didn't exist before. Brilliant!

So actually science doesn't discover, it invents, it brings it into being.

 

[abc]

I accept that the brain can be tricked into helping the body by thinking that medicine is coming when in reality it isn't. This can cure aches and pains etc. Notice, it doesn't cure AIDS or cancer.

I do not accept that WATER can cure you in any way other than a placebo. The only people who think it can are f***ing idiots. Dilution making things stronger is the least scientific and most incredibly stupid thing I've ever heard. I might have to change career and profit from the unbelievable gullibility and all-round ignorance of fact displayed by some people. Did you not pay attention in science at school?

As for the comment on the soul, give me a break. If it can't be measured, seen, heard, etc it isn't there. Nobody has ever presented any evidence for a soul.

The "spiritual dimension" is a crock of shit, you need to be a retard to believe it. Reading tea leaves? Star signs? Horoscopes? f***ing FAITH HEALING? Reading auras? Talking to the dead? If you believe any of those, do us all a favour and form your own community of mind-addled retards.

People who practice homeopathy, faith healing, reading tea leaves/auras etc. are either lying or mentally I'll. That is not arrogance, it's scientific fact. None of it works in any way other than placebo.

Nice reasoned response. I dont consider myself mentally ill or a f***ing idiot. I dont feel a need to get passionate about using homeopathy any more than I do about using an antibiotic. The more treatment options I have available for my animals the better though. The idea that a placebo effect works on cows is laughable though and because a NSC poster says that the placebo effect has been scientifically proven does not make it true.

However I will now go and look at my cows like the "retard, f***ing idiot and liar" that I must be

 

[NMH]

Not strange at all when you consider that scientists agree that the placebo effect sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and they have no idea why. As a result of this they treat patients with proper medicines and not chalk tablets because they will not rely on soething that is not 100% proven. As oppose to homeopathy which clearly doesn't work outside of a placebo effect but it's hawkers claim is 100% reliable. So you see, there is no mix of beliefs, no confusion on my part. I trust what has been tried, tested and proven to work and I appreciate when someone says they don't understand how or why it works. I don't believe in bullshit. Simple really.

Of course you weren't confused. Maybe your brain was a little, but YOU were not.

 

[1066familyman]

I really think you should separate your belief in God and homeopathy. Whilst I think you are wrong about God, I know you are wrong about homeopathy. Believe it works if you like, but it amounts to the same thing as me not believing in gravity.

And another arrogant and patronising response to exactly prove the point I was making in the first place.

The reason any belief in God and homeopathy have got mixed up here is because this thread has gone off on a tangent as I compared the arrogance of the believers of all things scientific on here with that shown on previous threads about God, that's all.

 

[fork me]

Ok, here is the first thing I have come across - and you will find relations to holistic medicines, the applications of a variety of compounds and result readings;

What is Homeopathy? Definition and Details. | ABC of Homeopathy | Homeopathy = Hpathy

Treatment of seasonal allergic rhinitis usi... [Ann Pharmacother. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Do note the reference to study for effects of tree, plant and weed species being used in homeopathy.
Do you wish to disregard echinacea as one of those, or something?

You are completely missing the point. Normal use of echinacea works, the homeopathic way of using echinacea (ie diluting it down to the level where there's nothing left) doesn't work.

As to the second link, it's worthless, 40 people isn't even close to a representative sample.

 

[fork me]

We use homeopathy on a herd of 250 cows. Like antibiotics it works in some situations and not in others. But as has been said, there is no placebo effect on cows.

It was said, but it was incorrect. The placebo effect has been observed in animnals. No-one has a clue why or how it works, but the evidence is there.

 

[fork me]

I'm wondering how you can repeat that placebo effect is found to work (on animals!) and yet homeopathy you ridicule?
I'm neither supportive nor critical of homeopathy with this question - I just find your (mixture of) beliefs questionable.

You believe in placebo, but homeopathy is ralative to sticking feathers up your chuff and calling yourself poultry? Strange, isn't that?

No, it's not strange at all.

Many studies, using rigid scientific guidelines and huge sample sizes have demonstrated the placebo efect works. This is not true for homeopathy.

 

[Gritt23]

The real risk is that if it WAS something more serious you were wasting time doing something useless instead of getting to the root cause of it.

Not really, as we had tried "conventional" first, so hopefully anything serious would have been identified then. Instead they suggested a form of asthma, and gave him some inhaler to try, but that just didn't seem even remotely right, as he'd shown no signs of asthma before or since. The doc just seemed to latch on to the fact that he would panic with the extreme coughing / choking, to the point where he was struggling to catch his breath, but there was no way it was due to asthma. The poor lad was just in a panic. Struggling with anything breathing related = an asthma inhaler. Seemed a bit of a lazy solution, but clearly the condition didn't worry them as possibly being something more serious.

 

[Biscuit]

While people still believe in fairies, witches, voodoo, the soul and God, people will still believe in this rubbish.

Personally I think giving people hope when there isn't any is exceptionally cruel. Still each to their own.

 

[BeardyChops]

 

[perseus]

While people still believe in fairies, witches, voodoo, the soul and God, people will still believe in this rubbish.

Personally I think giving people hope when there isn't any is exceptionally cruel. Still each to their own.

These are Pixie Cups. Where are the Pixies? (they have been having a party?)

 

[00snook]

No, it's not strange at all.

Many studies, using rigid scientific guidelines and huge sample sizes have demonstrated the placebo efect works. This is not true for homeopathy.

Very true.

Every double blind scientific test on homeopathy has found it to be less effective than a similarly administered placebo.

Therefore it is not medicine, or even an alternative therapy. It is as useful at helping people as taking nothing and being told its something.