Help required - I am in very serious danger of voting Tory next year.

[Dave the OAP]

vote rcp....you know it makes sence

 

[looney]

Ive only ever voted once. UKIP in the euro election before last.


May vote tory if I can be arsed or this immigration thing turns into Labours ERM debacle.

 

[Seagull's Return]

why dont you vote green?
or monster raving looney? ( are they still going?)
or stand as a candidate yerself....

Greens - at least in this part of the world - are opposing Falmer, I thought? So that's them out (shame, really, but can't be helped).

I don't like Blair and New Labour any more than any other sane person (so, not at all then), but I'm f***ed if I could ever, EVER vote Tory: if you're old enough to remember the last time those greed-head sleaze-merchants shat all over the people of this country, then you'll know where I'm coming from. As far as I'm concerned, there are only three types of politician, in descending order of honesty, and irrespective of left-right alignment: untrustworthy, very untrustworthy, and Tory. Anyone who was working in and around The City in the late 80s (I was delivering beer, myself) will still be haunted by memory of the blank-eyed vulture-like scum who made millions while our country's industries and communities were f***ed over for fun. Horrible. And think of all the people who went through hell over the years to grind out some semblance of equality (the Khaki Election, for instance), what was the point if this we're just going to throw it all back to the Tories?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Crasher your wrong my friend. The conservatives under the chancellorship of Ken Clarke had a very very strong economy for the last 12 months and would have carried it on. Labour just benefitted from a strong world economy.

 

[looney]

Going on about what the last tories were like is pointless, remember the winter of discontent?

the Idea of democracy is that you boot them out so they can weed out the deadwood and get their shit together.

Seam to remember that Scargill took the Miners out on strike without a ballot for purely political ends.

engineered? pfffffft!

Remember the miners strike in the 70's? Were ruled now by the ballot box not by 300,000 cave dwellers.

 

[crasher]

So if the econonmy's strong under Ken Clarke it's down to his good management but if it's strong under Gordon Brown it's because the world economy is strong?

As I said Gareth, I'm not arguing you should vote Labour. And it's your choice. I just think we're all apt to forget some of the disasters the Tories inflicted on us.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I can name you one good thing that the Labour government has done

Given control of interest rates to the Bank of England.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Gareth, what exactly will make you likely to vote Tory - can you give us some ideas as to which of their radical policies are going to change our lives forever? It is amazing how many people forget just what a complete and utter shambles the previous Tory aministration was.

 

[Hadlee]

I'll name one good thing Labour did..........bring in the minimum wage ! despite the Tories saying at the time it would wreck the economy and make us un competative in the world economy. (So that happened then !)

 

[looney]

So if the econonmy's strong under Ken Clarke it's down to his good management but if it's strong under Gordon Brown it's because the world economy is strong?


It wasn't so much strong as recovering well from the ERM balls up.


Having said that Ken Clarke was the only chancalor that I can remember that didn't try to rig the economy prior to the election,brown has.

Personaly I think clarke is just a lying peice of eurotrash but he was a good chancy, bit to late though when your surrounded by money grubbing jerks.

 

[looney]

Given control of interest rates to the Bank of England.

True.


I'll name one good thing Labour did..........bring in the minimum wage ! despite the Tories saying at the time it would wreck the economy and make us un competative in the world economy. (So that happened then !)

were tumbling down the competivness table, it takes years for the effects to show up.

 

[Spiros]

Re: Re: Help required - I am in very serious danger of voting Tory next year.

Can't agree with alot of what you say. They HAVE put money into education and health but to be honest, you're not going to see the benefits overnight.

They also increased employers NI so much that it more than swallowed up any increases that they gave to the health and education authorities, so that on the one hand they could look like increasing what they were spending on state institutions while on the other hand they were really taking it away!

Labour have also added billions of pounds worth of extra government, such as regional assemblies, Scottish, Welsh and NI assemblies but these are virtually doubling up over what MPs are already supposed to do. Because they have added all this extra government and red tape they have had to increase taxes. That coupled with £2 billion spent on an illegal and unnecessary war!

 

[Soton Seagull]

Where is Mr C when you need him? He loves the Tories. No Really, he does.

 

[Mr C]

Now I've woken from my 6-hour slumber, I feel obliged to comment.

GG: you should vote Conservative. The current government (stretching the use of the word "government" really) is a total shambles, as corrupt as hell (a lot worse than the Tories ever were, and have only one goal in mind, and that's being elected.

Barnet: I agree with you there, giving control of interest rates to the BoE was a good idea. At least it means when the economy goes tits-up Brown can blame the Bank and say "not my fault guv".

Crasher: The interest rates at 20%? Wasn't that to do with the ERM? I think it was. Not really an endorsement for the Euro, which is exactly where Blair wants to take us.

Simster: Maybe they have been pouring money into services, but at the same time they're been increasing buearacracy (sp?) and management to the point where the money barely gets seen by frontline services.

Seagull's Return: If I'm old enough to remember the last time? Well, I am, and I don't recall too many problems thanks.

Ooooh.....right well now I've simultaneously argued with most of the people on this thread, I'm off back to sleep...err I mean work Byeeeee!

 

[Brovion]

You HAVE to vote Labour on the grounds that they are the least worst option. I now hate the Greens for obvious reasons and the Lib-Dems are far far too pro-European Federalist.

This is assuming of couse there isn't an independant English Republican party.

 

[Mr C]

You HAVE to vote Labour on the grounds that they are the least worst option. I now hate the Greens for obvious reasons and the Lib-Dems are far far too pro-European Federalist.

This is assuming of couse there isn't an independant English Republican party.

Are you bothered by the idea of European Federalism?

 

[On the Left Wing]

Brovian .... we need a Republican Socialist Alliance .... it would get my vote (and that of Mrs OTLW) every time

 

[Hadlee]

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were tumbling down the competivness table, it takes years for the effects to show up. [/B][/QUOTE]

Only in the sub Continent, where the current fad is to move call Centers oner to India (due to poverty wages) and we also have low unemployment.

 

[Dandyman]

Greens - at least in this part of the world - are opposing Falmer, I thought? So that's them out (shame, really, but can't be helped).

I don't like Blair and New Labour any more than any other sane person (so, not at all then), but I'm f***ed if I could ever, EVER vote Tory: if you're old enough to remember the last time those greed-head sleaze-merchants shat all over the people of this country, then you'll know where I'm coming from. As far as I'm concerned, there are only three types of politician, in descending order of honesty, and irrespective of left-right alignment: untrustworthy, very untrustworthy, and Tory. Anyone who was working in and around The City in the late 80s (I was delivering beer, myself) will still be haunted by memory of the blank-eyed vulture-like scum who made millions while our country's industries and communities were f***ed over for fun. Horrible. And think of all the people who went through hell over the years to grind out some semblance of equality (the Khaki Election, for instance), what was the point if this we're just going to throw it all back to the Tories?

Well said, mate.

The only excuses for voting Tory are stupidity, greed or malice.

 

[Mr C]

Well said, mate.

The only excuses for voting Tory are stupidity, greed or malice.

Hmm.. So alongside such quotes as "can eradicate from my heart a deep-burning hatred of the Tory party", you're not biased at all then?